Official: CyCon negotiations

[Snowflake]

My PM:

Sorry I was not able to respond sooner. Was busy on something else RL last night.

I believe if you agree to the nonproliferation term and then trade eco eng to us then uni is bound to find out since you and us will both get eco eng and then env eco within couple turns. On the other hand if you try to negotiate this term out then uni may well aware your intention of trading it and stop this trade. That almost mean to me that the eco eng - env eco deal of us are not going to work. Of course it may not matter to you if you are prepared to going into war with uni soon and tricking an enemy to get the most out of it before it becomes an enemy is a valid tactic. Me personally always try to keep whatever promise I made to whoever but I will not judge anybody's right to do otherwise.

So anyway I would assume the eco eng - env eco deal is off. We have not played the turn last night. The decision was dacole will play it sometime today and if not heard otherwise he will not slow our reseach rate. The SotHB deal we have more time to negotiate. However I hate to tell you that my idea of SotHB only for Gene Splicing has not flied within Hive. That means if you want Gene Splicing you need to add to SotHB for Hive to see a worth trade.

I appreciate all the effort CyCons have made. Please let me know if you somehow are able to get PUT to agree not include the non proliferation term.

[Octavian X]

Originally posted by HongHu


PM sent.

Thanks.

And, good work involving Cycon. Stay the friendly course we've pursued so far.

[Snowflake]

From Maniac:

Hi HongHu,

SotHB is completely useless for us now. It would just mean increasing our research cost. If besides that we would also have to research a second tech Neural Grafting, which in itself seems like sufficient payment for Gene Splicing, such a deal seems rather non-profitable IMHO.
May I ask why you ask such a high price for Gene Splicing? Is it because you consider SotHB completely worthless as well, or is it because you attach a very high value to Gene Splicing for some reason?
Anyway, I was wondering, would the Hive be willing to accept a deal like follows:
MY 2150 or '51: you offer us Gene Splicing pre-accepted, so we can immediately accept it the same turn.
MY 2151: we offer you Adaptive Economics back pre-accepted. Due to the turn order, you would get that MY 2152 IIRC.

Greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Prime Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness

[Snowflake]

My reply:

Dear Function Maniac,

Yes you are right about SotHB. The Hive does not value it very high. The only reason we proposed it in the trade is because we did not know what other techs you have that can be traded with Gene Splicing. The only tech we know that you have for trade was initiative, which the Hive does not want. However we know that you wanted Gene Splicing, and that you may be able to get SotHB, thus the proposal. Now I'm glad to hear that we have other choices. I will for sure to convey this message back to the Hive.

I still haven't heard back from you regarding the other part of the proposal. I do not know what is your long term strategy in terms of other factions. However the Hive has strived to be open toward the CyCons. My feeling is if we could achieve a higher level of trust it will definitely facilitate many transactions between us. For example I have asked about CC's current research but have not got an answer. If I'd known that you have adaptive economics before we would certainly have given it a thorough discussion and perhaps we could reach a trade sooner. Please be assured that I'm not pushing you for anything you are not ready for. I'm simply expressing again the Hive's willingness of furthering our relationship and I'm sure we will work out the best.

HongHu

[Kody]

We should probably build more crawlers.

We would need 10 crawlers to instant build the planetary energy grid and only 3 available within range of any one base. Anyway, we've been low on crawlers for a while, so even if we don't get the SP the crawlers would be the best short term investment for our economy.

[Snowflake]

Do we want to agree to preaccept?

[Kody]

Yeah why not.

Better they betray us on a not so important tech trade than when we're really vulnerable.

[Snowflake]

Ok I am going to write a message to CC expressing our acceptance of this deal. If anybody has any disagreement please state so right now.

[Kody]

Just wait here's an extension to the deal.

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Gene splicing for adaptive economics, as recently suggested. However, if the hive managed to build the planetary energy grid, we'll be willing to immediately trade you the second tech in exchange for a impact weapon prototype (the 2nd tech payed in advance).

I think a impact infantry is only 2 rows, and the hive will be willing to wait a few years for it. One of the hive players saw the AI already has impact and I'm sure you can trade it from them fairly easily. Anyway the hive needs better than 2-1-1 troops if you're going to use us to keep the university off your back.

Possibly allow for SotHB instead of impact weapons.

The reason why we would like impact weapon prototypes is to do with unit costs. Weapon damage 4 is the same cost as 1 or 2 strength weapons. While 6 requires an extra row of minerals. During our battle with the university we might need the two row 4-1-10 needlejets, as it will be cheaper than 3 row 6-1-10 needlejets.

[Snowflake]

Good point. So we don't want the amphbious ability and cruiser shell, instead only ask for impact? Or do we ask all of them at once.

Also we could tell them the Peace has started reseaching impact.

[Kody]

Tired will talk more tomorrow, still have to get around to reading all the topped threads.

[Kody]

Idea is to keep the trade simple as possible for them. Asking for amphbious and cruiser too hasn't been welcomed. So the trouble they feel isn't worth the cost of getting a tech.

[Snowflake]

Actually Drogue has indicated in a chat with me once that since they are going with the war, they actually feel they could easily lend us a foil with the unit on it. The only thing I don't know is if we trade Gene Splicing with Adaptive Eco and if they've got eco eng from uni then what other techs we could trade for the prototyped unit. Also not sure how valuable of lending a foil with a impact amphbious unit is to the CC compare to whatever tech we will give them. I'm assuming the tech trade would be environmental eco but we won't get it in a while. Don't know if we have any other techs they want. Maybe I need to chat with somebody from CC again.

[Snowflake]

Who has impact?

[Snowflake]

I posted in CC embassy:

I now understand that CC is planing to steal Adaptive Eco and then trade with us. If possible I would still like to know a list of the tech CC currently has and is reaching. This will make trade talks much easier.

Anyway the trade of adapt eco for Gene Splicing is acceptable for the Hive. As for further potential trades, I would like to know if the CC has obtained eco eng from the uni and what other techs CC is interested to trade with the Hive. Function Drogue had indicated that since CC is preparing for war, to lend the Hive couple units and then get it back may be an acceptable approach to the CC. The prototyped units the Hive interested is impact amphbious and cruiser. However we can certainly negotiate more when we know which tech will be traded for them.