Turn Update

[Kody]

I think they're going to be able to keep tech parity with us. From their response I'm certain they have more bases than us. Secondly running free market they have more energy than us.

The tech details will be ironed out at a later date. If you read my thread we definately don't want any techs yet if we want to get fast industrial automation. We can half the cost of industrial automation if we setup this deal correctly rather than just trade techs normally.

In my opinion the best treaty for us will be, we immediately give them information networks and press accept. In exchange next turn they put industrial economics for us and press accept. We wait until we finish planetary networks then accept their industrial economics. Then switch to industrial automation at a lowered cost.

The last email I've sent to them proposes a one tech to one tech trading. The other post you were refering to was if we were pacted with them and want to fast track both our tech rates.

I wasn't proposing a free tech for them. Simply we want the techs given to us delayed so that we get cheaper tech costs.

Kody

[Snowflake]

Yes that is exactly why I said that you have an excellent point about tech cost. I agree 100% that we should try to reduce the tech cost by timing the exchange well and skip unecessary techs. Sounds like we are in agreement with the 1 tech with 1 tech thing unless pact also.

[Snowflake]

I say wait for a while for others to weigh in regarding whether we want the IB. (I'm glad that we are on the same page but I would still like to hear what others think.) Then give them the clear list with order to avoid any confusion. Maybe you can even post your email before sending them out for us to look at.

[Kody]

The main problem is only you and vev have any kind of decent response time. I can paste the email wait 6 hours getting only a response from you and vev.

Also nobody has still said anything about the question I raised in the negotiation thread. Do I make them the offer to co-ordinate tech research so that we get important techs like industrial automation faster?

At the moment we're still very much on single one on one tech trading.

Kody

[Snowflake]

I know. There has to be a limit to how long you could wait. My feeling is that either the Chairman or the Marshal should show up one time or another within 12 hours. So maybe that could be the limit? The turn's already passed, and Drone's turn will be a while so we are not in a big hurry as before. Although we do need to give them sufficient time to react to our proposal. Could you draft our final offer and post it in the forum?

As for co-ordinate tech research my understanding is it is normally done with a pact. But my opinion is we can always try to persude them switch their direction of research since we'll be staying on our route anyway, so no harm to us whatsoever.

[Kody]

The final offer depends on them.

We first need to know if they want treaty, pact of tempory convienance, or pernament pact.

Co-ordinating research I figured is something that can gain us significant advantages. Think of the cost difference for industrial automation. 192 compared to 107.

Kody

[Snowflake]

I thought we are going to do it anyway even if its one tech to one tech exchange?

Before they say if they want to go permanent pact we could still offer them something more defined in the treaty, tech exchange range? That's what I want to see.

[Kody]

Read my previous message to them.

Kody

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Kody
Read my previous message to them.

Kody

Your previous email was exactly why I feel that some points may need to be more defined.

We agree to give you planetary networks as soon as we
finish it, and if we are able to choose industrial automation we will immediately give it to you if you give us flexibility when you achieve it.

That's where I got the idea that you were saying that we'll give PN to them for free. Also you said give us both tech, you didn't mention that we might only want IE and not IB or if they only like to offer one which one we would prefer. I thought you were going to send another email in the treaty, tech exchange range to indicate what exact techs we like to exchange such as IN for IE and IA for flexibility. You kind of indicated the latter one (IA for flexibility) but you didn't say it has to be the same time. Sounds like we'll give it to them first before they give flexibility to us. If it is not a permanent pact, I don't think we should do it. They could very easily get our tech and then renounce the treaty. We'll lose too much in that case.

Kody you have raised suspicions several times that I probably haven't read your post or misread your post. I know sometimes my mouth opens before my brain tells it to do so, but trust me I would not make mistakes like confusing a god and a mortal. In addition, how could I have skipped such an important post as yours. No, seriously, I always try to read all relevant posts when I make my comment.

[Kody]

The last email was.

We have information networks currently on the table.

You give us your industrial base and industrial economics. When we get planetary networks we will give it to you (eg we give it to them when we get it, late payment for one of the above techs). Then we will trade industrial automation if they can get flexibility.

So tech trading is the 2 industries for 2 networks. Then industrial automation for flexibility. The industrial automation is worth more than flexibility, but if they agree to help us with our fast track tech method it's worth it.

Kody

[Kody]

This is what I've suggesting happens in our next turn.

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Pre-Turn 2121

(We can add terraforming turns to formers by only partially moving them then ending their move with a terraform function)
* 24,22 cancel former action. Move former to 23,21 (north-west). Build sensor array. Cancel action.
- heading to build sensor array future base site 18, 16

* 28,28 cancel former action. Move former to 26,24 (energy resource)
- heading to build sensor array future base site 29, 23 (hive colony pod in 8 turns heads here)

* 29,19 colony pod -> 25,21
- heading to build base at site 18, 16

* Open "The Hive" base, select colony pod. Add stockpile energy after colony pod.
* Open "Kommunizma City" base, rush buy former for 10 EC.

If drone scout seems to have withdrawn
* 17,23 scout -> 17,21 (This scout escorts the drones out)

If drone scout is at 15,21 then scout has truely withdrawn
* 19,19 scout heads back to voltairograd
* 20,20 colony pod -> 18,20 (heading to build next base)
* 9,23 unity rover -> 8,19 monolith for repairs
* 11,25 unity rover -> 14,24 moving north to explore.
* 7,15 scout -> 8,14 (exploring)

If drone scout hasn't withdrawn
Need to discuss with other members what to do.

Finally Googlie's landmark renaming.
Also I want to name a city after whatever the most popular naughty name is in Pravda. Heck lets rename all of them for a year, we can change them back later, and we can do some interesting pravda gags.
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Let the pre-turn chat being

Kody

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Kody
The last email was.

We have information networks currently on the table.

You give us your industrial base and industrial economics. When we get planetary networks we will give it to you (eg we give it to them when we get it, late payment for one of the above techs). Then we will trade industrial automation if they can get flexibility.

So tech trading is the 2 industries for 2 networks. Then industrial automation for flexibility. The industrial automation is worth more than flexibility, but if they agree to help us with our fast track tech method it's worth it.

Kody

Thanks for clearification Kody. I'm a little confused in that you say for fast track we should not get IB but seems you were also suggesting we exchange PN for IB. (We definetaly needs to let them know if they want to give us one tech for now it has to be IE instead of IB.) For the next round IA for flexibility, a common way that is done is that the faction with the less valuable tech will pay some cash which percivable will be accepted by the drones because they should have more money.

BTW, I wasn't able to get our previous turn downloaded before the drones deleted it from the public forum. Could you post it here? This way I would be able to look at the coordinations you talk about in the other post. Thanks!

[Kody]

I saved over the original file I'm afraid.

Kody

[Googlie]

Here it is:

Hive, 2120.zip

[Snowflake]

Thanks!