Hive call to Planetary Government for CPU-PEACE ceasefire!

[GeoModder]

I've seen you posted it, and I endorse it. I do need to check that I don't put our ships just on that DMZ line for perfect fire solutions on the PEACE vessels.

Anyway, at least something substantial comes into this debate that way. Perhaps a poll about our members feeling (especially the recent ones) on if they want PEACE to survive or not is handy.
That can be used to quietly back down a bit (let PEACE survive, I mean). But I don't want to give bases back to PEACE. Perhaps something can be posted to PEACE that, in case enough of our members agrees to let PEACE survive, they may live when they send a truce proposal in their turn. That way we can take Atlantis and destroy most of their remaining fleet.

[DeathByTheSword]

well i am against letting PEACE survive with more then 2 bases. and a treaty that they will not grow back bigger then 5 bases... but we need to start a real debate i concur. Someone needs to push the HIVE to start REAL talks about a cease fire instead of demanding things...and i agree with what maniac posted but maybe we need to do that in another thread

[GeoModder]

If all goes as I like, they have only that base on Yard... Long island left and virtually no fleet

Edit:

Btw, the Hive is accusing us of warmongering, atrocities and so, but how about their war against the Angels?

Don't they break the sovereignity of another state that way as well? It doesn't matter that it is an AI ruling there, it is a sovereign state!

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Just a point for use again HongHu - the Planetary Council, in-game, does not exist until all surviving factions have met one another, for obvious reasons. Even if one takes it to 'exist' in the sense that one is supposed to be set up, it could not be set up until all factions had met, and thus did not exist until then.

As for Voltaire's point about accepting the UN Charter by being Council members - as there is no way to stop being part of the Council, this should be dismissed.

Good points

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Finally, as to Voltaire's copious citing of the UN Charter, we might want to point out the complete absence of the countless agencies it provides for, and also play around a bit with the Universal Delcaration of Human Rights, which at numerous points prohibits such acts as nerve stapling.

We could try that, but no-one has nervestapled. I'm more inclined just to say that we haven't agreed to the UN Charter, and it does not bind us. is that true?

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by GeoModder
If all goes as I like, they have only that base on Yard... Long island left and virtually no fleet

Edit:

Btw, the Hive is accusing us of warmongering, atrocities and so, but how about their war against the Angels?

Don't they break the sovereignity of another state that way as well? It doesn't matter that it is an AI ruling there, it is a sovereign state!

Good point Geo.

Just wanted to say - excellent replies Drogue
You are THE EAF.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Drogue
We could try that, but no-one has nervestapled. I'm more inclined just to say that we haven't agreed to the UN Charter, and it does not bind us. is that true?

That's dangerous, other factions can use that our 'not agreed to UN charter' to start another tossle about how we don't allow our citizens basic UN (read, human) rights. Or even a planetwide call (to Buster) for bringing CPU-citizens the delight of an UN-charter (attacking us).

I think that, since we came upon Unity, that we are bound by the UN charter as exists in the game, nothing more, nothing less. Besides, as mentioned in my earlier post, there's still the possibility to tell them to look in their own pocket, since they're at war with the Angels. I suggest starting to response with this when the CyCon pressend.sav is available on the main forum.

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by Drogue

Good points


We could try that, but no-one has nervestapled. I'm more inclined just to say that we haven't agreed to the UN Charter, and it does not bind us. is that true?

OTOH, they have spoken in favour of the use of nerve-stapling, which, even if it doesn't mean they've convicted themselves, does leave them hypocrites.

[GeoModder]

Well, the latest post of Voltaire sounds like they're reached the end of their speech. I guess it's now time to post how they're doing the same what they accuse us of (in their war with the Angels). Perhaps a suggestion if they want to stand before the council as well...

[GeneralTacticus]

EDIT: Ignore this, please.

[Skanky Burns]

BS brings out the sarcasm in me. Apologies if it doesn't help us much, but at this point it looks as though they have already made their decision.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Skanky - I know what you mean, but at the same time there is some delight to be had in dncing arund them with words and watching THEM get all petulant. Just try and think of this.

OK, we have to make a note of the fact that now the Hive is DEMANDING something, which is not in their power to do. We have informal agreements from members of PEACE (whose status is not known) and unoffical agreement from the leader of the Drones. We should ask the Hive to follow due protocol if they are intending to follow legal protocols as they seem to be wanting to claim they are doing.

Secondly, we have to reiterate we are open to negotiations if someone approaches us. To date we have never had any interactions with PEACE since the incident that led to the war except hostile ones, and we invite the Hive or PEACE to approach us formally with any proposals. A demand for a ceasefire is not negotiation, nor is it in the best interests of the safety of CPU citizens, as we would effectively be told we cannot defend them without any reassurances to us in return, especially by the pirate forces operating out of PEACE-controlled bases. If the Hive is so keen on peace, then do something about it instead of just talking - get PEACE to open negotiations or do it themselves, but do not makie vague demands that are of no comfort to CPU citizens, who are equally as important as any other faction's citizen peaceloving citizen.

[DeathByTheSword]

well the problem is that the HIVE first wants a cease fire before we go talk...

[GeoModder]

Well, let's offer one to PEACE (not accepted by us yet) when we send the turn to them. It takes two turns anyway before some forces can assimilate the last PEACE base. Meanwhile I suggest taking out as many PEACE units as we can find.

That way, PEACE is not in a position to do us harm, and the ball is in their field whether they accept a truce or not.

For those who really want PEACE destroyed, remember that the first Drones response indicates that they don't want PEACE gone from the game. Perhaps this is sufficient for the short term to keep them out.

Also, in my opinion, it becomes time that our diplomaty hints at the atrocities Hive is performing on the Angels.

[Maniac]

Drogue doesn't seem to be here, so I'd suggest everyone posts whatever they want in the Planetary Council thread.

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by GeoModder

Also, in my opinion, it becomes time that our diplomaty hints at the atrocities Hive is performing on the Angels.

Ah, yes, that reminds me. What exactly is going on between the Hive and the Agensl? And if they're at war, can the Hive really afford to attack us at the same time?