Hive call to Planetary Government for CPU-PEACE ceasefire!

[Nubclear]

Perhaps I should, because he refuses to worship his god.

Perhaps I'll kill everyone who refuses to worship me....MWIA....

[laurentius]

/me chokes on the fruits of CyConian labour!

[GeoModder]

And good labour it is!!! Lauri already writes bleu!!!

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


No, the PEACE vote would be invalidated.

Invalidated for FUTURE council rulings, that is.
Not retroactively

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Invalidated for FUTURE council rulings, that is.
Not retroactively

Damn, almost thought I had a usefull godly precedent here...

You have outsmarted me, Tass. This time...

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Perhaps I should, because he refuses to worship his god.

Perhaps I'll kill everyone who refuses to worship me....MWIA....

WIA ain't got no problem with Tass... why should Tass have a problem with WIA?

WIA could be deliberately opposing you, but WIA isn't. WIA thinks that should be worth SOME consideration. Also, WIA has never bad-mouthed Tass, unlike certain others...

[DeathByTheSword]

ok to recap....we need to start talk with PEACE and probably the HIVE sitting in about peace... this means no attacks on PEACE units for now...but i would like to suggest not giving away ANY BASES or MONEY or TECHS to PEACE to creat peace...a de-militarized zone is handy and a max-cap on PEACE bases are needed to secure safety of CPU bases...that is what i think needs to come out of the peace talks

[Maniac]

How about sending this full message to the Hive, and the eight points to PEACE? Anything else I should add? Point 6 is to prevent they can easily launch fusion planet busters or air raids against us. Since the Hive has the CBA and they'll probably have planet busters earlier than us, this is rather important.

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Greetings Chairman Voltaire, Ambassador Jamski and Former Operator t_ras,

Despite what I assumed after Octavian X posted his Planetary Council thread, it seems that the Hive would not yet have decided whether or not to declare war with CPU, and thus that diplomacy isn't yet pointless. Therefore I would like to react on a chat Voltaire had with Drogue, of which Drogue posted a summary in our private forum.

To begin with, apparently Voltaire feels the CPU upsets the balance between Hive, Drones and us, that you feel threatened and that CPU wishes to destroy the Hive. I would ask why you think so? At first, what can be more balanced than three factions of roughly equal power? Second, this year the Drones have become more powerful than the Hive and probably CPU, thus technically you should feel more threatened by them. Third, despite asking numerous times, I still haven't received a reply as to why some Hiveans think CPU has aggressive intentions towards the Hive and would want to destroy you. I'd say it's the opposite: we have the impression the Hive wants to destroy us at all costs, while we just want live in peace and safety now our archenemy PEACE can no longer threaten us.

Another point Voltaire mentioned is that a lot of this tension would have come from Hive feelings that some CPU members are anti-Hive, and that Voltaire thinks I am not pro-Hive, and so is scared that with me being Prime Function CPU is likely to go to war against the Hive.
First, if you think some CPU members are anti-Hive due to the 3D roleplay, I'd say it's just that: roleplay. Also a lot of that roleplay is not the consequence of CPU members supposedly wanting to attack the Hive (as our poll this year on whether or not to declare war on you shows), but instead of the Hive breaking pact and all your other anti-CPU actions.
Second, I'm not per definition pro or anti any faction. I just pragmatically judge who is willing to cooperate with us and base my opinion on that. So how do you expect me to think about the Hive if I offer a Hive-PUT pact, tech trades and ask what caused the bad Hive-CC relations lately, and the reply I get is a severance of the Hive-CC pact and Hive cooperation with our enemies? I'm perfectly willing to cooperate as much as you want with the Hive, but the initiative lies in your court: we have made repeated attempts to cooperate; it's the Hive that keeps refusing.

Anyway, I suggest we move to the issue of PEACE. Below is my proposal. The main line of this proposal is CPU security and safety.

1> We have the ability to eliminate PEACE. But we are willing to allow PEACE to survive, as long as they aren't in our immediate vicinity. Our security concept can't allow a hostile faction remaining in our immediate vicinity. I guess the Hive destroying all Angel defences in Conshelf 57 and the remaining PEACE ship taking that base is the best possibility.

2> Crossbone Way comes under CPU control or is deconstructed voluntarily by PEACE.
Just like you can't tolerate a CPU base on that island near the Hive mainland, we can't tolerate a PEACE base in the middle of our sphere of influence.

3> CPU, Hive and PEACE should agree to the sphere of influence I proposed in the Council thread:

(32.46), (34.40), (36.38), (42.38), (43.37) and the two islands between those coordinates become a demilitarized zone.
Everything northwest of that is Hive/PEACE territory, and everything southeast of that is CPU territory.
Any unit of any faction which trespasses the DMZ or enters the territory of the other faction, is considered in violation of the treaty and may be destroyed.

4> We will retreat that colony pod from the DMZ island mentioned above as soon as possible, and not found a base there.

5> Hive and PEACE should withdraw their units as soon as possible from our sphere of influence as described under point 3.

6> No new CPU/Hive/PEACE bases can be founded within 16 squares of an existing CPU/Hive/PEACE base. Nor can any Angel base be captured by CPU, Hive or PEACE (besides one base to let PEACE survive). This is to keep a buffer faction between us.

7> The Hive should show signs to be more willing again to cooperate with CPU, meaning for example a re-signing of our pact (the best way to ensure no one has hostile intentions towards each other) or a trade of technologies. That way we have a reason not to give in to the requests of the Angels to declare war on you.

8> If PEACE survives, the main advantage you get is a free vote in the Planetary Council. We would like assurances you won't abuse that. Therefore we propose a CPU veto right on all Council motions except all the official in-game ones. This is to prevent you can propose any motion in the out-of-game Council you want, and CPU being outvoted 3 to 2 every time. I would propose a similar veto right for the Hive and Drones to make things equal.

If your intention is not to destroy CPU, but really only is your own security, this seems to me a good deal for the Hive. So I hope you will see the rationality in it and accept it.

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Representative for the CPU

[DeathByTheSword]

well they wont take all of this...and i really dont think they will take number 8 because we already have 2 votes and then they hive and peace will have 2 too...with each time the drones as tiebreaker...again...i would subtle change the wording so that it sounds more like a offer that can be talked about then an order.

EDIT: read my proposol in the public forum of 2 people of each involved faction to sit down and discuss terms

[laurentius]

Looks ok to me, maniac.

[GeoModder]

For point 6, I would add that they can't conquer Angel landbases as well within that distance. In essence letting the Angels exist as a buffer faction on the western borders. But this also means we do not do so, effectively limiting our 'warmongering' to the Believers.

[Maniac]

Ok I sent it, with some word changes to make it sound more like a proposal.

[Maniac]

Just read Geo's comment. Should I cancel the PM and edit it to include Geo's comment?
The reason I left out the Angels though is exactly to still leave open the option for us to assimilate them.

[GeoModder]

If Hive feel threatened by our presence even if we don't are that close to them, what do you think their reaction would be if we assimilate the Angels' Monsoon bases. We're well within missile range then. Keeping it as a buffer seems the best solution to me for now, and it hinders Hive expansion a great deal as well, whereas we still can expand if we wish.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Maniac
we are willing to allow PEACE to survive, as long as they aren't in our immediate vicinity.

Really? I would be against this. I would rather let the Hive conquer the last bases. Sure, it's personal, but I want to see the PEACE government in our prison. I would have asked for a poll on such a biug decision. I would also have worded point 8 differently, starting by saying that CyCon, Drones and Hive should have a veto on all out of game council decisions (I'd rather see no out of game council decisions, but RP being what is is...), as opposed to sasying we should, and throwing that in at the end.

However I can live with it as is.