Announcement

**laurentius** · February 29, 2004, 07:33

That sounds like a declaration of war to me. Sounds like a trap. I think they dont even expect us to comply, since they know their demansds are impossible to meet. Prolly they have plotted with peace and drones about all out war against us and this is the excuse for it.

**MrWhereItsAt** · February 29, 2004, 07:37

I'm not so sure....

Why would they bother with this if they had full agreement from the Drones and PEACE? They are just warning us in advance this way.

**laurentius** · February 29, 2004, 07:43

So what is this? An attempt to blackmail us?

If its a casus belli wich I suspect it is. Maybe hive has some class after all, and doesnt want to just launch surprise attack on us. They want to do this, you know, the way gentlemen work out their disputes. Sport.

I'd like to see their answer on why hasnt PEACE suggested this. Whats Hives part in all this, what do they get? Also we must contact drones and ask what they think about this.

**laurentius** · February 29, 2004, 07:49

"Planetary Council must achieve a political solution to condemn the CPU invasion of the PEACE territory and to establish that all violence and acts of terrorism from the CPU are unacceptable."

Anyone else getting flashbacks from Civ2 and the signing of X-pacts to contain Y's aggression?

**Maniac** · February 29, 2004, 08:07

This is just an excuse to start the war and attack our probe skimship. How about replying that we already offered a peace and a return of PEACE bases to that faction (as part of our unification offer), and that we are more than willing to talk about this. We should also continue to say that we have learnt the position of a Hive ship and all PEACE ships, and say that we too have a probe skimship and three impact cruisers in range of those ships, so that we could agree to a place to meet and discuss on the seas, and settle the issue among the three involved parties. We really would be saying of course to the Hive that if they attack our probe skimship, their plasma cutter would be toast too. It's our only chance to perhaps delay the war I think.

**DeathByTheSword** · February 29, 2004, 08:56

i agree with not giving any bases to PEACE, maniac warning is good. and i am even ok with returning to status quo with PEACE...they are almost destroyed anyways. the only problem is if we keep PEACE alive is that we always need a strong force in that area to take on any attack by PEACE. so it would be better to just wipe them out...

**MrWhereItsAt** · February 29, 2004, 09:47

I think we should go at this with a softly, softly approach. If they want to talk, then let's talk about negotiations and what can be done, and whilst we are doing so PEACE gets ever nearer destruction. If they threaten us blatantly then we warn them off, and we will have had several (hopefully) turns warning with this message.

I say we should reply in a friendly manner, looking for a way to reassure the Hive that we hope for nothing but friendly relations with them. Things would have to go a lot further, if they are using this diplomatic parlance, before an attack on our probe ship is on the cards. If they attack us straight away regardless then there is nothing we can do to stop that now in game anyway. I see no need to SEEK to antagonise them with veiled warnings like that when we can try to keep them at ease, by faking being genuine.

**DeathByTheSword** · February 29, 2004, 12:04

so give them the idea we want to talk and maybe after awhile of talking give them the idea we want to give PEACE of bases back

**laurentius** · February 29, 2004, 13:06

...but not going any further ?

**Illuminatus** · February 29, 2004, 14:37

This sure sounds like a declaration of war!

But there are some possibilites:

1) They have already prepared for war and this thread is just for dramatic effect. In this case we can`t avoid it.

2)Two - they are just trying to provoke us, bluff or warn us in some strange way.

My opinion reject demands, say that we already offered Unification to PEACE, and that offer is still open for them.
State that we are doing a good thing by destroying PEACE.
We need to respond that we are ready for conflict by indicating that we will destroy PEACE at all costs. We do not want war, but we are ready for it if Hive provokes us.

And also " We value Hive friendship, blah, blah, blah,"

**Drogue** · February 29, 2004, 15:12

Re: Hive call to Planetary Government for CPU-PEACE ceasefire!

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
What could the Hive possibly gain from a CyCon-PEACE peace? Any ideas?

Techs, trading, being able to undercut us. It won't be good.

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
I think for the moment we have to acknowledge their concerns officially, and ask where reports of mistreatment come from. We need to let them know there is no mistreatment of PEACE citizens, in fact we are welcoming them to join us as equals in the peaceful reestablishment of former PEACE bases, once the aggressive and deceitful PEACE military dictatorship establishment has been ousted. We need to remind the Hive and the whole Planet community of PEACE's past transgressions and how it is only logical that we eliminated the threat in the interest of Planet-wide peace and the PEACE civilians themselves.

I agree completely. We must deny all acts of terrorism. They don't exist. No PEACE citizens are being killed or harmed. We have offered them unification, to join us, and they have refused. They have refused all our efforts to negotiate. We target their military only. We should, as you say, explain their past transgressions, why we started this war. We should also politely inform them that this is not a Planetary Council matter, since it started before there was a Planetary Council. We should be firm that no PEACE bases will be returned.

Also, if they want to talk attrocities, we can talk about their arguments for nervestapling, and that they have no right calling for a discussion and political solution while they run a Police State in their faction. We have tried diplomatic solutions and they failed, we then took action, and are continuing to take action. We want to end this war, and have offered PEACE a unification, whereby there leadership joins ours, they become CyCon citizens, and the war ends. We need to stress absolutely that we do have committed no atrocities at all. We also need to bring a case of libel against Octavian X in the Planetary Council, for unsubstanciated allegations.

**Drogue** · February 29, 2004, 15:44

How's this?

The Hive is concerned about reports of increasing violations of international humanitarian law.

CPU has committed no such violations. Humanitarian law forbids the use of Planet Busting technology and nervestapling (anything else?), neither of which have been used by CPU. We would ask that that comment be removed, or these reports produced, so that we might cross examine them and show them to be false.

We are gravely concerned that given the increasing likelihood of a thorough occupation of the PEACE territory by the CPU forces, coupled with the approaching winter, that the situation in PEACE has the potential to become an even greater humanitarian disaster.

Former PEACE bases are constantly having more infrastructure and facilities built in them. They are in a better position to survive the winter than they were under PEACE rule. Also, CPU objects to such emotive terms. It is not PEACE territory, it is CPU territory. Seeing that the CPU currently has a Democratic system of government, the former PEACE provinces have an equal say in the governing of the CPU as any other provinces (we could even have a governor of former PEACE bases, and claim that they are also self governing, like PUT?) The same is not true of the Hive, where all citizens are crushed under the rule of your Police State.

The Hive believes that the Planetary Council has the overriding obligation to stop the suffering of innocent civilians and prevent a de-stabilizing conflict spreading to other factions on the planet.

Innocent civilians are not suffering. Former PEACE bases are productive and are having facilities built. War will not spread to other factions, presume those other factions do not interfere. We agreed with the Hive government before the war that they would remain neutral. We have no, nor ever have had, plans to attack any other faction. We question the logic of a faction claiming that our unrelated war is de-stabilizing the region, when they decided to remove the Pact between our factions. Surely that has done more to de-stabilize relations between our factions, than a completely unrelated war. As we have said on many occasions, our war with PEACE was not an indication of aggressive intent, it was an act of desperation at the way we had been treated by PEACE. We have explained the way we were treated by them, and why we felt our relationship was beyond repair due to that. We are surprised that, while at the time the Hive had no problem with it, at least none that was raised during many discussions with Hive ambassadors, but now decide to mention it. Indeed, we believe this may have more to do with our agreement with the former PUT than any concern over the welfare of former PEACE citizens. We would ask the Hive, if this is the case, to stop playing politics with former PEACE citizens. To stop trying to use their issues to take a swipe at CPU, and to be honest with this Council. If you wish to discuss atrocities we are more than happy to, both those that you falsely accuse us of, as well as the way you refuse to give your citizens a say in even the most basic matters.

The Hive motions the Council to take immediate action on this matter in order to prevent a humanitarian disaster and to prevent a threat to stability throughout Planet.

There is no humanitarian disaster, and the only threat to stability is if we are attacked, or if another faction interferes in the war between CPU and PEACE.

The Hive affirms the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the PEACE and the right of all refugees and displaced persons to return to their homes

CPU affirms the right of all Hive citizens to self rule. However we understand that the Hive is a sovereign state, and as such we have no right to have a say in Hive policy. All refugees and displaced persons may return to their homes. We do not, and have never, targeted civilians. We have no desire to harm anyone but the PEACE military, and all former PEACE citizens have the full rights every CPU citizen has.

The Hive calls for an immediate cease fire between PEACE and the CPU.

We have offered a unification agreement to PEACE, where we would allow all PEACE citizens to become fully-fledged CPU citizens, with all the rights that entails. We would allow their government to join with ours, and become one faction. That was flatly refused. We have tried to begin negotiations, but PEACE have refused to discuss anything with us.

We emphasize that the authority of the Planetary Council must achieve a political solution to condemn the CPU invasion of the PEACE territory and to establish that all violence and acts of terrorism from the CPU are unacceptable.

There have been no acts of terrorism, and so I would ask that comment be withdrawn. The Planetary Council has no place in a war between two nations. We feel we were wronged by PEACE, and tried diplomacy first. The relationship was unsalvageable, as we have explained before. Our last option was war. We have committed no atrocities, no acts of terrorism, and have targeted nothing but the PEACE military. We have done nothing whatsoever that is banned by international law. Therefore, the Planetary Council has no mandate to intervene - It is there to uphold international law, and no international law has been broken.

- Drogue Beta-8, Foreign Affairs Function for CPU.

**GeoModder** · February 29, 2004, 18:06

Nice response, I like it. Perhaps a small correction for this:

welfare of PEACE citizens. We would ask the Hive, if this is the case, to stop playing politics with PEACE citizens

welfare of former PEACE citizens. We would ask the Hive, if this is the case, to stop playing politics with former PEACE citizens

**GeoModder** · February 29, 2004, 18:24

Originally posted by laurentius

That sounds like a declaration of war to me. Sounds like a trap. I think they dont even expect us to comply, since they know their demansds are impossible to meet.

I expect them to delay the posting of their turn as long as possible to see if we response to this 'Planetary Council' thing.

I also could be a way to give PEACE an extra turn to found a new base. It's always possible that that cp on Yardarm has encountered a MW or something, thus that with the conquest of Atlantis in 2158 PEACE is finished.

Announcement

Hive call to Planetary Government for CPU-PEACE ceasefire!

Hive call to Planetary Government for CPU-PEACE ceasefire!

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