PUT Diplomatic Exchanges

[Maniac]

Archaic sent this in reply:

Of course I'm interested. What can you offer us in return?

Can I mail this back?:

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Hi Archaic,

We'll give you Applied Physics and Synthetic Fossil Fuels this year, meaning there are IIRC five other technologies left we could possibly give you: Nonlinear Mathematics, High Energy Chemistry, Doctrine: Initiative, Progenitor Psych and Adaptive Economics. My offer is to give you one tech each in return for EcoEng & EnvEcon, meaning two techs in total.

I would also want to propose that for pure military technologies such as NonlMath or HEC, we do not give you the tech itself, but rather lend you units with an impact weapon, plasma armour, nerve gas etc, so you can retro-engineer them. But of course if at a later date (hopefully a date when all other factions have already acquired that tech, so they can't steal it anymore from you) you would need the tech itself to circumvent the mod3 rule or because you want to research a tech that has the military tech as prerequisite, we would of course transfer the tech itself to you immediately.
Besides the advantage that the Drones would not be able to steal from you the technology we provide you, another advantage of lending you units to retro-engineer instead of the tech itself would be that your tech costs won't increase due to having a larger # of techs, but that you will still have all the concrete advantages of owning the tech itself.

How does this sound to you? And what two techs (or their concrete advantages without the extra tech costs) would you prefer to get?

Friendly greetings,

Maniac

[Drogue]

I'd say yes, although I'd be prepared to offer a little more. Such as maybe a probe foil? Put it in one of their bases so that they can't steal from it, without declaring on us, maybe?

[GeoModder]

Wait one, if we hand over Synthetic Fossil Fuels, the PUT's enemies can try to steal it. It is mentioned here and there that PUT is under Probe assaults. As far as I checked, we're the only ones who have this tech. So this means potentially that we give up a weapon monopoly, not to mention quite earlier an air power monopoly. Wouldn't it be better then NOT to hand this tech over?

[Maniac]

The Drones have D:AP and SFF.

[GeoModder]

And the Hive not yet I've seen. Those are supposed to be pact brothers. How did we get his info?

[Maniac]

How did we get [t]his info?

Due to using the Hive's infiltration on the Drones. It would be easier to show you than trying to explain in words. Why don't you drop by one of these days? I'll show you.

[GeoModder]

Ok, I'll do that. PM you shortly, but for forum sakes, now I understand why Drogue suddenly told that the Drones have the CF and CBA in their pocket.

[Maniac]

Nothing received from Archaic yet.
Btw, what about we offer him a unification proposal as well, where we join each other's forum and sign a permapact? AFAIK Archaic isn't really that interested in the ACDG (at a time he wanted to disband the PUT faction after all), so who knows he would even appreciate that offer, releasing him of a burden.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Btw, what about we offer him a unification proposal as well, where we join each other's forum and sign a permapact? AFAIK Archaic isn't really that interested in the ACDG (at a time he wanted to disband the PUT faction after all), so who knows he would even appreciate that offer, releasing him of a burden.

If he wanted to get out of the game, he could always have asked a replacement or opened the PUT for new members again, who could take over at a later date. So I don't think he is very interested in discussing PUT business all over.

Unless off course there was some special reason that he closed PUT for newcomers?

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Maniac
Nothing received from Archaic yet.
Btw, what about we offer him a unification proposal as well, where we join each other's forum and sign a permapact? AFAIK Archaic isn't really that interested in the ACDG (at a time he wanted to disband the PUT faction after all), so who knows he would even appreciate that offer, releasing him of a burden.

Unified with PUT? Wouldn`t that speed up war with Hive or perhaps it would refrain them from doing so?

[Maniac]

If he wanted to get out of the game, he could always have asked a replacement or opened the PUT for new members again, who could take over at a later date.

At first he wanted to disband the entire PUT, as no one was active anymore to play the PUT faction (so there were no replacers available). Only after many requests of ACDGers he agreed to continue to play PUT, but as a normal PBEM game without any demo game aspects. Hence no new members are allowed in PUT.

Unified with PUT? Wouldn`t that speed up war with Hive or perhaps it would refrain them from doing so?

Both are possible as far as we know. So we best shouldn't base our plans on possible Hive reactions that could go either way.
If they are really very close to the Drones, they'll go to war with us no matter what. But if not, a combined CyCon-PUT would most likely become more powerful than the Drones. And if the Hive's pact with the Drones is only because they are the second most powerful faction, they could switch allegiances after a CC-PUT unification.

[Illuminatus]

Why would they switch allegiances after PUT-CyCon unification - alone they do not have a chance. And splitting up Hive would not be so tempting for them to risk disaster? Would they try to switch allegiances to achieve Coop Vic with us? Drones are rarely heard of, althrough they are AFAICT responsible for good part of Hive power.
Conclusion I would like to see unification no matter the cost of it- but only after PEACE war is finished.

[Archaic]

For those wondering why I wasn't so concerned about Doc. Init and Cruisers.....

My playstyle really has little room for naval actions, and the circumstances in this game only made that worse. While PEACE were around, I had no hope on the high seas, and with my current stagnation, I couldn't see any way I'd be able to get a decent amount of ships out there while still maintaining my infrastructure building (Which was in a bad state as is). So instead, I tried to concentrate on building up a proper "campus". The sooner I clawed back a tech lead from the Hive/Drone alliance (Which our faction had inferred as existing back when the Hive got the PTS), however slight, the sooner I could perhaps claw the faction back into the game.

[GeoModder]

There was not yet a reason to go naval for you. There is still some colonisation room on the PUT island, so no excuses needed. After all, it's the first time I see bases with a nice infrastructure in this game . It's a good base to build further on.

[Impaler[WrG]]

This is why its vital to defend "Campus Island" We should use it as our primary bulwark agains the agreesion of the Northern Builder faction. We should move most of our Navel and future Air Forces their.