Drone Diplomatic Exchanges

[Drogue]

We won't be able to build it IMHO. It will be taken first. Drones and Hive can build quicker, and the CBA is far more valuble. We need better troops if we are to beat Hive/Drones.

As PUT about leapfrogging to MMI, and go for CBA. I propose starting the PEG in a base, and mass crawlering. Try to trade for money, or take out loans, and mass crawler-upgrade. Then build CBA. Go for CDF or CF if we can, but CBA should be the priority. And we could trade weapons techs with PUT now, or do as Imp suggests and once the war is over give them a missile plasma cruiser to engineer

[Maniac]

Maniac: The Hive have propsed (or rather Enigma has) a Doc Loyal and Eco Eng for Adapt Econ and the PEG trade. If buster wants Adapt Econ, then do both trades on the same turn. We then give one tech and one SP to he Hive/Drones, and get 3 in return...

If we can't build the PEG, I agree. Though we should try to keep the Hive to their proposal of giving EcoEng & EnvEcon.
And should we accept Doc:Loy in a deal? IIRC Impaler wanted that as it led to Intellectual Integrity. But now we know that the Hive intends to go for Planetary Economics which means researching IntInt. Shouldn't we wait a little then and ask to trade IntInt, and forget about Doc:Loy for now? I assume we won't use Police State this game, so - if we'd manage to build the CDF - we wouldn't need DocLoy at all and could keep our tech costs a bit lower.


I agree we should start asking PUT about leapfrogging to MMI. The problem is Archaic nor GT has been responding to my latest PMs. I guess it's because of his busted knee, and hope not because he is not interested in cooperation.

[Maniac]

PEACE relations end in a war, with the Hive we haven't traded anything yet despite lots of talk, PUT doesn't respond to my PMs, now buster doesn't even send us a simple message he's not interested in a trade before playing the turn...

Is there something wrong with CyCon diplomacy or do all other factions have an attitude problem?

[Drogue]

PEACE had an attitude problem.
The Hive have had upheaval and have traded lots of information, but have no need of the techs we have (at the time), so it's not diplo failure, it's product failure.
PUT are inactive because of Archaic's accident.
Buster has a way with words (he doesn't like using them) and so is very lax with PMs. He doesn't seem to say much when he does respond either. We also have nothing they want.

CyCon dip is good, our tradable goods are lacking, and some factions are inactive.

[Impaler[WrG]]

I propose we offer to trade Adaptive Econ for SFF with the Drones. If we are going to be trading it with the Hive we might as well tec whore ourselves ALL over the place and get as much as we can for it. Then they can fight over the Secret Project and possibly become bitter over it. If we can jump to MMI with Uni then the loss of PEG would be worth it.

Also becasue no one else has Progenitor Pych it is completly reasonable to expect we could get the PEG if we didn't trade. Only if somone made an independent deal with PEACE would we be in danger of lossing it and everyone out their should know this, we should get as much as we can for Adaptive Econ.

[Drogue]

I agree with Impaler completely Offer it to the Drones, Adapt Econ for SFF, and ask if they would prefer another tech. Meanwhile try and get the Hive to accept Adapt Econ and PEG for Eco Eng and Env Econ. And try to make sure no-one can steal/trade it with us or PEACE.

[Drogue]

Has this been offered? Adapt Econ for any tech (preferably SFF). If not, can it be offered?

Thanks

[Maniac]

Would we still have the opportunity to build the PEG if we offered AdapEcon now?

[Drogue]

No. But what's worth more, the PEG, or 3 techs? IMHO the three techs by far.

[Impaler[WrG]]

If the Drones are preparing then they could build practicaly any project the moment they have the tec for it.

Idealy I would like to get PEG for us ofcorse so the idea of trading SFF for Adaptive Econ with the Drones is only very usefull in my opinion if we trade it to BOTH the Drones and the Hive thus getting 2 tecs out of the deal rather then just 1. I consider the Project to be worth a whole tec in of itself (the energy production would in the long run alow us that much faster research anyways).

If we can trade with the Drones in such a way that they cant get the PEG then I would be all for that. If we accept a trade with them in the same year that we throw crawlers at the Project then we will get the project on the following turn because we are before them in turn order even if they also manage to build it on that first turn they have access too it, they will be stuck will an unfinishable project.

[Maniac]

Okay, an informative slip from buster.

I sent this:

Greetings Foremen buster and jtsisyoda,

I have a question for the Drones. If former PEACE members asked to join the Drones after their faction is destroyed, would you accept them in your faction?

I hope to hear from you soon!

Mani Alpha-3
External Affairs Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness

He replied like this, apparently thinking I was a pirate:

buster wrote on 30-01-2004 23:58:
sure - besides which I would like to send you a bunch of data (we now have cycon map & could give you info on all their bases) - if you give me an e-.mail addy I will send it.

Further we are interested in adaptive econ & progen psych. We have DAP too but as Cycon is tearing you apart I cannot give it to you before they have it (guess it will be about three turns).

We can offer you SFF already now though - would a SFF for adaptive econ trade be in your interest?

As soon as Cycon gets DAP we will then do a DAP for progen psych trade.

And just to make sure it is clear you (and other peace members) will be welcome regardless of your position on the trades. I just wanted to bring up the subject now when we were in comm anyway.

regards
buster

Should I send back something like that?

Hi buster,

Great to hear we can find sanctuary with the Drones! As it indeed seems likely we won't last much longer it is very much appreciated.
As for the data, you can send it to peter_steenbeke@hotmail.com - it will certainly help us in resisting against the CyCon for a while longer.
And regarding DAP/SFF, I'll have to check with the other Captains before I can give an official promise, but I'm sure it will be accepted.

Greetings,

Maniac

If he already realized his mistake, I guess this won't make a difference anyway - we both know where we stand diplomatically. But if he keeps being deluded, I could prevent PEACE from getting that data.

[GeoModder]

No, wouldn't put in words like that. Perhaps you can try by using less specific sentences.

'Great to hear.... Drones' is ok
'As for ... hotmail.com' also ok

But the rest is purposely misleading, and that just won't do diplomatically.

[Maniac]

that just won't do diplomatically.

Well, if he realized his mistake, our diplomatic situation is screwed anyway. Does it matter much what we send to the Drones from now on?

[Googlie]

I hope to hear from you soon!

Mani Alpha-3
External Affairs Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness

Apparently all that work and no play reduces Drones' attention span - He didn't read to the end of Maniac's messsage

G. (chuckling)

[Impaler[WrG]]

My GOOOD!! What a Fooopaaa!

Well atleast we know that they havent started trading with Pirates for Adaptive Econ yet and arn't likly to steal the PEG.

I think the short simple message is better and less likly to arrouse suspicions.

On the other hand including something like "what are our chances for Vengence on the Cycons? Will the Hive assist you?" Could potentialy give great insights on the Hive/Drone relationship.