HIVE diplomatic exchanges

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
I think we want to send our Probe Foils at them ASAP to infiltrate. Their nearest base is New Moscow but its got strong probe defences. We could move further north along the coast to say Jamski's Prison Cell to try for a less defended target or we could use out Impact Marines to clear the base out for us before infiltrating.

I agree with GeoModder attacking with marines is a bit extreme, unless absolutely necessary.
Btw, what about waiting until we have built two probe teams in Triplex, and built a transport in Athena Anchorage? Then first move the new transport with the two probe defences and the two new probe teams to that northern Angel sea base, infiltrate with the probe defences, and next turn move to New Moscow, together with the probe foil. We'll then have three units able to infiltrate, so if the Hive probe defences are only one unit and if they don't have air units patrolling and shooting down any unit in sight, we should be able to infiltrate.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Btw, what about waiting until we have built two probe teams in Triplex, and built a transport in Athena Anchorage? Then first move the new transport with the two probe defences and the two new probe teams to that northern Angel sea base, infiltrate with the probe defences, and next turn move to New Moscow, together with the probe foil. We'll then have three units able to infiltrate, so if the Hive probe defences are only one unit and if they don't have air units patrolling and shooting down any unit in sight, we should be able to infiltrate.

Mmm, I suppose a transport won't be a legitimate target for destroying, even if it is spotted. Probes in it won't be visible I guess. If this line of action is followed I propose to split the probe foil and the transport. More chance that one of them comes through unspotted.

[Archaic]

Does anyone know how active Sheep is inside the Hive? It might explain some of their animosity towards the PUT.

I find it odd that they've made a Gun Copter though. There's better models that can be made for the same price, even with only fission, assuming everything's prototyped. Perhaps their prototyping is lagging?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Archaic
Does anyone know how active Sheep is inside the Hive? It might explain some of their animosity towards the PUT.

Why? Has this Hive member has anything against PUT members? I would find it odd that 1 member can cause much animosity against another faction.

Originally posted by Archaic I find it odd that they've made a Gun Copter though. There's better models that can be made for the same price, even with only fission, assuming everything's prototyped. Perhaps their prototyping is lagging?

Can be checked. But you're right, even a laser chopper would be better. I don't know out of my head if they have impactor, but if not, it's explains it more or less. Their last tech exchanges with Drones must have given them Synt Fossil Fuels, so a missile chopper would be too expensive (prototyping missile launcher and chopper at the same time).

[Archaic]

Trust me. If we're talking about Sheep, who had a very long history regarding both myself and GT in Nationstates and (for GT) various NES's, he could easily have that sort of influence, especially when many of those Hivers didn't exactly like me to begin with.

Better check it then. If they really haven't got Laser already prototyped, then perhaps we should try and figure out what else they don't have prototypes of. It's hard to believe they'd be lax in that department, but if they have been.....well then, they'd be ripe pickings, even if they do share pretty much a direct border with the Drones.

[GeoModder]

Well, before we get there with anything, they will have missile units.

[Maniac]

In MY 2152 the Drones transferred control over a plasma garrison to the Hive thereby breaking the HEC non-proliferation treaty we had signed with the Drones. So they certainly have plasma armour prototyped. They also have a few foils with laser weapon and synthmetal armour IIRC, to defend against the Angels. Last turn they started on a chopper and cruiser prototype. So the only weapons we aren't sure whether they have prototyped is are impact gun (they don't have the tech yet) and missile launcher.

As for Sheep, personally I don't think he's active in the Hive at all. At least I've never seen on the general forum list his name as "Last Post". Probably, just like other communist/Hive fans such as Ali Cov or chegitz, he just joined the Hive for the civicon or being around likeminded people or so, posted a few times and then never came back.
However IIRC the Hive already decided right from the start of the game that PUT would be their enemy, because of the heated discussions in the first ACDG. One would think that the emotions of a year back would have calmed down by now, but apparently not so for some Hiveans.


GM:

If this line of action is followed I propose to split the probe foil and the transport.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Some more diplomatic blah from HongHu. Personally I don't believe a word of it. Should I bother replying anything?

Any communications with the Hive so far?

If not, I would propose making a statement that we want to stay equal in important military tech (D:AP, MMI) and that there is no reason for them to fear us military (pointing out that by the time we could reach them their air attack/defense will be ready anyway).

Also, indicating that they are the ones breaking a pact so seem not trustworthy to us anymore.

And as the finishing touch some blablah about how we like a continuous 'good neighbour' relation with the Mighty Hive.

All the above is just to keem them diplomatically in check. Personally I don't think we should start a war at all, perhaps instead of infiltrating them, infiltrating the Drones.

[Maniac]

Ok with such a message.

Personally I don't think we should start a war at all, perhaps instead of infiltrating them, infiltrating the Drones.

It's much easier and closer to infiltrate the Hive though. And infiltration isn't war (though they of course may think otherwise).

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Ok with such a message.

And will I find out the tone of Drogue's diplomatic language now?

Originally posted by Maniac
It's much easier and closer to infiltrate the Hive though.

That's true

Originally posted by Maniac
And infiltration isn't war (though they of course may think otherwise).

GeoModder looks a bit

[Nubclear]

Yeah.....I'm pretty sure no faction would be too happy about being infiltrated The Hive possibly least of all.

[Maniac]

If we succeed and they protest, I'd just say the Drones (and thus they) have unwanted infiltration on us ; we're just equaling our knowledge about each other. If they didn't break pact, we wouldn't have to infiltrate them in the first place.

Edit: Also, if they have nothing to hide, they shouldn't fear infiltration. Personally I expect to see a military build-up though.

[GeoModder]

Or we see (surprise, surprise) that a whole lot of SP is being slow builded.

[GeoModder]

I'm in *bump* mode today. Does the EAF care to comment on this?

[Maniac]

IMPORTANT NEWS !!!

The probe skimship moving west on its mission to infiltrate the Angels discovered a Hiveans 1-3-6 cutter. As the ship was discovered on the probe's last movement point, there's no opportunity to flee away. If the Hive is in an aggressive mood, who knows the Great War could start already. But we should of course attempt to prevent it if possible.

How about sending the following PM to HongHu, Jamski and Voltaire? We should only send it after PEACE and Drones have played their turn, so that:
1> the Hive can't alert PEACE of our presence, and let PEACE send a ship to attack the probe.
2> the Drones won't switch to full war production this year.

Hello again most honoured Hiveans,

This turn a CPU probe skimship has spotted a Hivean cutter entering the Atlantic Ocean. The probe skimship is now floating on the square South East of the Hivean cutter, and has contacted the cutter's captain to transfer the greetings of the Consciousness. We would like to inform you that the mission of that probe skimship is to infiltrate the Data Angel datalinks, and thus that we have no intention to sail into Hivean seas. Now we will more or less become neighbours this year after our army and fleet assimilates Atlantis, we hope the Hive will respect our borders as well.

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Prime Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness
Member of the Central Processing Unit