HIVE diplomatic exchanges

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Maniac
Btw, something else: I just noticed Kody back on the Hive member list. And he has posted in the private forum, so I noticed on the general forum list.

WHAT?
He might have access or had aaccess to classified information - how can this be? He was removed from ACDG - how can he join the Hive again?

[Nubclear]

He cannot.

[Maniac]

Ok?

Hi Ambassador Jamski,

As we have officially announced, the Consciousness and PUT have unified and merged into one faction. As Archaic has no time anymore to be involved in the ACDG, this effectively means the Consciousness will play with PUT as well. This also means that if a personal vendetta against Archaic was a reason in the past to attack PUT, this in no longer the case.

We have noticed this year that besides stealing Environmental Economics a while back, Foreman buster of the Drones has attacked a PUT base and stolen Secrets of the Human Brain and Neural Grafting. If buster doesn't stop immediately with his offensive actions, we will sadly be forced to throw all the combined CPU resources into a war against him. In this hopefully avoidable scenario of a full-scale war, we were wondering about the Hive reaction. In the past, HongHu has said to Drogue that the Hive would remain neutral in a Drone-Consciousness war. Is that still the case? Would you remain neutral, or choose sides in favour of one party?

A few other points: I as PUT turnplayer have offered a pre-accepted pact to the Hive btw. Hopefully you will accept it for the many benefits it gives to both of us. And as our labs production has about quadrupled, we are now able to research techs relatively fast, making us a better trading partner than before. Therefore I ask: are you again interested in tech trading?

I hope to hear from you soon!

Mani Alpha-3
Prime Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness
Fatherboard of the Central Processing Unit

[Drogue]

Looks good

[GeoModder]

Looks indeed good. But, I thought that diplomacy was your cup of tea now, Drogue?

Aren't you EAF now?

[Drogue]

I am. I should be back properly now, so I can do the diplomacy and military orders. However Maniac is free to send that if he wishes. Some important communiques come best from the Prime Function directly, IMHO.

[GeoModder]

Off course, I have no objections at all. No need to strictly separate the different Functions.

[Maniac]

***COMPLETELY OFF THE RECORD***

If you attack the Drones we will definitely help you. Then we can get our revenge. Don't even ask

-Jam

An "unofficial" message of Jamski. Last time he told me something "unofficial and confidential" he urged me to send an ultimatum to the Hive, and that story didn't end really well. So I wish it were true, but I'm quite reluctant to believe what he's telling here. I get the feeling, which is supported by his recent hostile behaviour in the 3D and Pravda threads, that he supports a CC-Hive war, instead of supposedly having the best interest of a Hive-CC relationship in mind...

Anyway, what should I reply? Asking if there currently is discussion on our message within the Hive, and when we can expect an answer? I could also tell "off the record" that I hope for some positive signs of cooperation of the Hive soon, as as a consequence of the recent anti-CC Hive actions, some cyborgs are arguing for taking anti-Hive actions, and I don't want that group of cyborgs to grow in influence. Or too risky to send that?

Another option is to send a message to Voltaire and ask if it's true what Jamski is saying. Then if he is lying to us (again), he can be finally unmasked.

[Drogue]

Jamski is the ambassador, so it is an offical, but off the record, PM. IMHO, don't tell Voltaire. However check something: have the Drones built any SPs recently? Before Enigma left, we discussed the Hive/Drones relationship, and specifically his comment to buster, because buster was trying to steal all the good SPs. If he's succeeded, then that could be a revenge worthy move. Or for the governorship?

Either way, take it with a pinch of salt, but don't discount it, IMHO.

[Maniac]

The Drones are not building any SPs.

If not mention it to Voltaire, what should I send back to Jamski?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
The Drones are not building any SPs.

If not mention it to Voltaire, what should I send back to Jamski?

You can always ask how much support there is among Hive members for this 'revenge' thing. And if a positive answer, let's continue to ask if an official statement of the 'chairman' can be made, iow a PM from Voltaire.

[Illuminatus]

Jamski is definetly lying. Or perhaps he is pretending hostility to misguide Drones. But I doubt it. They want us in war against Drones - they won`t probably even intervene in it - they will just laugh and grow stronger.

[Maniac]

At the current speed of official Hive reactions we would have died of old age before getting any answer. So I decided to go a little further with Jamski. My previous PM to him is at the bottom. First his reply:

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Let me just say that we were discussing the possibility of a perma-pact with the CyCon.

However, now the debate is getting a bit crazy. Some people are pro-CyUni, but others say we should pact with the Drones and Peace and come and whip your arse. Major hive split.... BUT the chairman is in favour of doing nothing and just staying neutral.

Doc:Int was a trade with the Drones, who got it by giving NonLinMath to the PEACE, I think. I'm not sure.

Its possible the Drones and PEACE are permapacted. I don't know.

Keep safe.

-Jam

Hi Jamski,

***COMPLETELY OFF THE RECORD***
If you attack the Drones we will definitely help you. Then we can get our revenge. Don't even ask

How much support is there for revenge within the Hive?

That wasn't an official message of any sort. Just a comment.

Yeah, but there are quite a few of such negative Hivean comments.

***OFF THE RECORD***

Jamski, do you think it would be possible to get an official answer on my message within the next 24 hours? The longer the Hive waits, the more cyborgs become convinced of a Hive-Drone permapact. And last month you told me the Hive would help PEACE. Could I please ask to what degree the Hive and PEACE are currently cooperating and trading? How did you get Doc:Ini? And how did PEACE get NonlMath? I can assure you it's crucial for the Hive-CC relationship we know the honest truth about this soon.

Greetings,

Maniac

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Jamski is just talking major bull****: the Drones don't even have Doc:Ini & NonlMath. Drogue, if you don't even believe now Jamski (and probably the Hive) is just trying to fool us for as long as possible, I don't know what it will take. A planet buster on Apolyton Prime?
I'll forward Jamski's PMs to Voltaire and HongHu and ask for a reaction in the next few hours, before we have to send our turn to PEACE. If nothing happens, I'll send the messages to PEACE and the Drones that are currently in the dip exchanges thread.

[GeoModder]

I second that. We definitely need some word out. For the very least the other factions now then that we don't want an all out fight.

[Maniac]

HongHu speaking:

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Dear Function Maniac,

Thanks for your messages. First I want to assure you that your official message has been received by the Hive timely. Since I am not the CC ambassador any more, I have tried to refrain from communicating with the CCs. However, comrade Jamski has been constantly informing us the communications between you. I am not aware of the last PM he sent but that may just be because he didn't have time to do it yet.

As for whether what he said is the truth, I would like to comment that some of his statements may be his own beliefs and conjectures. For example, the Hive does not have the knowlege of tech trade and relationship between Drones and PEACE. (I personally do not think that peace and Drones are perm pacted.) What I can assure you is that your proposal has received great attentions from the Hivers and we are experiencing great participations again from the team members. An official response to you was already formulated but it will have to wait until it at least gets the clearance from the Chairman. At the current stage I do not believe we will be able to give you a definitely yes or no before we see the next turn because people wants to assess the situation carefully.

Comrade HongHu

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So what should I respond? Something like this:
Hi HongHu,

Thanks for your swift response. I hope to hear the official Hive response soon. Btw, you say that for example Jamski assuming a PEACE-Drone permapact is his personal belief, but is it true what Jamski says about Doc:Ini? Did you trade that with the Drones, and are you not cooperating with PEACE?

Greetings,

Maniac