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Great. Just great. 
While I was sending the above mails to Hercules and johndmuller via my hotmail addy, Hercules was sending me mails to my skynet addy, which I didn't have access to at that time. 
Anyway:
Hercules' mail 1:
Hercules' mail 2. Here he has already increased his demand with 50 ecs.
Then there were some three mails asking if I had received the above two messages, because my two mails sent abot two hours later of course showed no indication I had read his mails.
Maniac,
Cuspidore mail 1:
Cuspidore mail 2:
While I was sending the above mails to Hercules and johndmuller via my hotmail addy, Hercules was sending me mails to my skynet addy, which I didn't have access to at that time. Anyway:
Hercules' mail 1:
Hi Mani-Alpha- 3,
Just a holding reply (I know you don't want to stretch the turn beyond limits). Will get back soon. Being discussed at moment.
Earlier Function Drogue, in addition to 2 techs had offered 25ecs with the prospect of maybe some more to reflect our overheads and savings to you in terms of researcjh years. I think I can swing the deal if the ecs is upped to 50 ecs.
Also remember, we have yet to acquire Ind Base and that is an additional cost.to us.
Cap'n Hercules.
Just a holding reply (I know you don't want to stretch the turn beyond limits). Will get back soon. Being discussed at moment.
Earlier Function Drogue, in addition to 2 techs had offered 25ecs with the prospect of maybe some more to reflect our overheads and savings to you in terms of researcjh years. I think I can swing the deal if the ecs is upped to 50 ecs.
Also remember, we have yet to acquire Ind Base and that is an additional cost.to us.
Cap'n Hercules.
Hi Mani-Alpha-3, External Ambassador Function Drogue and other functions
We're close to a deal I feel
You will have noted and I know you ( Prime function) have responded to some initial reaction from us to your ( Cycon's) offer.
We are pleased you have established contact with Datajack Roze and discovered she can be difficult/erratic to deal with.
Anyhow
Among the options you offered
were
Ind Base for Ind Auto
and Ind Econ for new tech ( to be discovered by you).
Assuming you mean negotiations as opposed to 'this is our offer take it or leave' , I have secured from my pirate brothers this:
Ind Base for Ind Auto
Ind Econ for new tech, plus
to reflect the overheads we have already incurred; to reflect the delay in the discovery and delivery of a new tech, (the turn after you discovery it, unless Ambassador asks for delay or otherwise). And to reflect, which you don't really seem to acknowledge, the considerable saving in research time we save both of us ( that includes you ). Maybe a reverse opportunity of a similar nature will happen in the future.
As a pact brother, if I hadn't spotted this catch up opportunity (catching up to the Drones and Hive, have you forgotten that), over and beyond the tech for tech deal, we could both be potentially eclipsed by them. I don't think you relish that prospect (nor do we) .
So all we ask is 55.6 ecs (only 30.6 ecs more than External Ambassador Drogue's offer a few communications back). well we may give you 0.6 discount for you own research delay.
This is just over a quarter of our potential cost overheads of 200ecs.
We look forward to a speedy resolution to this as it really has gone on far too long.
Yours
Cap'n Calico Hercules
PS we will also throw in some cases of fine 10 year old XenoRum and some bottles of 'Holy Believer' water we which we guess, you having met Miriam you enjoy annointing yourselves with, for the fun of it.
We're close to a deal I feel
You will have noted and I know you ( Prime function) have responded to some initial reaction from us to your ( Cycon's) offer.
We are pleased you have established contact with Datajack Roze and discovered she can be difficult/erratic to deal with.
Anyhow
Among the options you offered
were
Ind Base for Ind Auto
and Ind Econ for new tech ( to be discovered by you).
Assuming you mean negotiations as opposed to 'this is our offer take it or leave' , I have secured from my pirate brothers this:
Ind Base for Ind Auto
Ind Econ for new tech, plus
to reflect the overheads we have already incurred; to reflect the delay in the discovery and delivery of a new tech, (the turn after you discovery it, unless Ambassador asks for delay or otherwise). And to reflect, which you don't really seem to acknowledge, the considerable saving in research time we save both of us ( that includes you ). Maybe a reverse opportunity of a similar nature will happen in the future.
As a pact brother, if I hadn't spotted this catch up opportunity (catching up to the Drones and Hive, have you forgotten that), over and beyond the tech for tech deal, we could both be potentially eclipsed by them. I don't think you relish that prospect (nor do we) .
So all we ask is 55.6 ecs (only 30.6 ecs more than External Ambassador Drogue's offer a few communications back). well we may give you 0.6 discount for you own research delay.
This is just over a quarter of our potential cost overheads of 200ecs.
We look forward to a speedy resolution to this as it really has gone on far too long.
Yours
Cap'n Calico Hercules
PS we will also throw in some cases of fine 10 year old XenoRum and some bottles of 'Holy Believer' water we which we guess, you having met Miriam you enjoy annointing yourselves with, for the fun of it.
Maniac,
Cuspidore mail 1:
Cap'n Hercules sent me betime greetings without commenting (directly) on your last communication. He did question whether or not you had read his last message to you, and re-reading your message, I can see how he might have gotten that impression (instead of it being just trying to weasel out of our bet). In addition, I notice that he is sending the messages to a different address (xxpeter_steenbeke@skynet.bexx) than the (xxPeter_Steenbeke@hotmail.comxx) address I have been using, so it is yet another possible indicator in that direction. So I am forwarding another copy of his message to you just in case. If in fact you have been missing all his sweet scented letters, it is no wonder you think that we Pirates are all one-dimensional Evil BlackGuards; perhaps looking in that mailbox you will discover all of the offers you have been hoping to get, but couldn't bring yourself to ask for. In any event, please let me know whether or not your reply addressed the proposition and if not why the hell not perhaps you might address it, if for no other reason than to re-settle Cap'n H and my wager, which he is apparently reluctant to give up on.
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Thank you for your counterproposal; you will no doubt be pleased to know that the terms of your proposal were sufficiently low to win my wager with Cap'n Hercules about the nature of your response. I hope that you don't find that provocative, as I appreciate your consciious attempt to reduce the temperature of the discussion and I am sure that I will enjoy the bottle of Cap'n Hercules' best XenoRum.
I am uncertain whether Cap'n Hercules is still around tonight, so I don't know when we will be able to exchange views on this trade again, and I do not want to bias the negotiations without his and/or other interested Pirates' input, but in the meanwhile, it could be useful for us in evaluating your proposals and to determine the degree of urgency w/r certain alternatives if you could inform us as to whether or not you are capable of delaying your research by 2 extra turns (we assume that 1 extra is feasible); if so, we would assume that you could revert to just a 1 year delay during your next turn should the need for 2 no longer exist - let us know if you think that not to be true. The possibility of a 2 year delay would come into play particularly if we fail to arrive at an agreement during your turn and/or whatever extension you might end up getting, but it could also factor into the relative merits of your two propositions and possible variants we might dream up.
As I understand the current situation, if you leave your research at 60% you would finish IndBase on your next turn in 2128 (if I still have the year straight), which would require us to deliver IndBase and IndAuto to you this year and would leave no flexibility to deal with your not being offered IndAuto, as whatever tech you had to select would be given to you immediately afterwards and you would then be starting your research from scratch and we would be 10 or 15 years away from IndAuto. A delay of one year would allow us to have the perhaps necessary flexibility under the same assumption of our giving you the two tech next year; this would presumably be the ideal approach. Given our rate of narrowing the distance between our positions, it certainly seems possible that we might eventually come to an agreement, but not until after our next turn has been taken, in which case it would be necessary for you to have delayed your completion date until 2130, a delay of 2 years, if there is going to remain the flexibility to deal with not being offered IndAuto in 2129, hence one of the reasons for enquiring whether or not you think you could set your research rate this turn in such a way that you could go for either a 1 or 2 (or whatever) year delay on your next turn, should that be desired. I do not intend to imply that I want or think we will keep extending these negotiations indefinitely, only to get you thinking about and to let us know what is possible - you could also let us know exactly what the cost of delaying your research really is, as it has been mentioned as a cross you would bear, similar to the ones we have often groused about.
When you hear from us next will I suppose depend on when Cap'n Herc and I and any other interested pirates have had a chance to discuss the trade yet again, hopefully not later than mid-day or so East Coast USA time.
Affectionately ,
the Cuspidore BlackBeard
I am uncertain whether Cap'n Hercules is still around tonight, so I don't know when we will be able to exchange views on this trade again, and I do not want to bias the negotiations without his and/or other interested Pirates' input, but in the meanwhile, it could be useful for us in evaluating your proposals and to determine the degree of urgency w/r certain alternatives if you could inform us as to whether or not you are capable of delaying your research by 2 extra turns (we assume that 1 extra is feasible); if so, we would assume that you could revert to just a 1 year delay during your next turn should the need for 2 no longer exist - let us know if you think that not to be true. The possibility of a 2 year delay would come into play particularly if we fail to arrive at an agreement during your turn and/or whatever extension you might end up getting, but it could also factor into the relative merits of your two propositions and possible variants we might dream up.
As I understand the current situation, if you leave your research at 60% you would finish IndBase on your next turn in 2128 (if I still have the year straight), which would require us to deliver IndBase and IndAuto to you this year and would leave no flexibility to deal with your not being offered IndAuto, as whatever tech you had to select would be given to you immediately afterwards and you would then be starting your research from scratch and we would be 10 or 15 years away from IndAuto. A delay of one year would allow us to have the perhaps necessary flexibility under the same assumption of our giving you the two tech next year; this would presumably be the ideal approach. Given our rate of narrowing the distance between our positions, it certainly seems possible that we might eventually come to an agreement, but not until after our next turn has been taken, in which case it would be necessary for you to have delayed your completion date until 2130, a delay of 2 years, if there is going to remain the flexibility to deal with not being offered IndAuto in 2129, hence one of the reasons for enquiring whether or not you think you could set your research rate this turn in such a way that you could go for either a 1 or 2 (or whatever) year delay on your next turn, should that be desired. I do not intend to imply that I want or think we will keep extending these negotiations indefinitely, only to get you thinking about and to let us know what is possible - you could also let us know exactly what the cost of delaying your research really is, as it has been mentioned as a cross you would bear, similar to the ones we have often groused about.
When you hear from us next will I suppose depend on when Cap'n Herc and I and any other interested pirates have had a chance to discuss the trade yet again, hopefully not later than mid-day or so East Coast USA time.
Affectionately ,
the Cuspidore BlackBeard
Anyhow, we've already been tooing and froing (What does that mean? 
) for a whole week, plus this was the first concrete proposal we received from you after your earlier one of three techs and 100 ec, so I just put it up for poll to see what the Collective thought. Currently 33% wants to accept your proposal. 66% rejects it. We are simultaneously holding a poll what's the maximum amount of credits we want to offer you. Perhaps another cyborg wants to take over from me, but I'm tired of these negotations. I don't really care anymore whether the deal goes on or not. So when that poll is done, I'll just tell you the results with the message "That's the maximum the Collective wants to give you. I have no authority to offer you anything more in negotiations. The choice is entirely up to you whether or not you accept the deal." Currently the mean of the credits individual cyborgs want to offer you is somewhere around 40 ec (nicely between your and my latest proposal). Also they are demanding that the future tech "is mutually agreed upon and preferably early in the tech tree".
COnsidering they wanted an extra tech and 100ec before, and we offered 25ec, I think we have got nearer to our goal. They may get a better deal, but it's pretty good from our side too.
).
). In other words, we paid 40 credits more than we should have to have a fair deal. (So we DID get fleeced, Corellion.)
and Biogenetics, which they said they do not want. Our trading options are running really low, and our only real hope for further mass-advantage trading is to contact some other factions. And before PEACE trades away all our good techs.
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