Turns 2141-2160

[johndmuller]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Again: Invade CyCon and destroy all of them . . .

I picture an army of SMAX Sea-Lawyers defending the Borg homeland with a tidal wave of technical objections - after all, see the legal hue and cry that was launched when we merely tried to attack them outside one of our own bases.

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
. . . attacking me is a really bad way to make them cry

Shivver me timbers maties, something I can sortof agree with here .

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

Its the 'borgs who, if they weren't such pansies, wouldn't have bothered to raise a stink about it.

True, however I'm not the ethical police

Can't argue there.

If you want to get revenge on CyCon, attacking me probably isn't the best way to do that

Who's attacking? I always enjoy a good discussion, I'm appreciative that mud hasn't been slung around much.

But a decision had to be made, and it was made: It's not allowed.
If a poll comes up and the people say it is allowed, then its now allowed. Yay.

/me nods.

I'll run an idea for a poll at the end of this post then.

And I'm saying by doing that, if I ever found out about it, i'd be highly suspicious.

/me shrugs.

Aren't you usually anyway?

Rhetoric. Ignore it

Different game then, eh?

Most definately. I think that's part of my and Herc's problem. We do a decent amount of PBEM and were expecting this game to be handled similarly.

And then you could kindly tell them to mind their own business.

Happily.

'play it or I'll screw you all over when I play your turn.'

Oh come now It's not like I would destroy PEACE, though tempted I would be.
The most I would have done is press end turn, which probably would have screwed PEACE over

Exactly.

Again: Invade CyCon and destroy all of them, or ally with the Hive and destroy CyCon, or do whatever to get revenge against CyCon.

I think it's in the works... slowly but surely.

Trust me, attacking me is a really bad way to make them cry

Who's attacking you?

Seriously though, here's a poll submission for we pirates.

Instances which can manipulate the random number generators of SMAC/SMAX and doing actions in different orders has been found to drastically change the odds of battles vs. mindworms, IODs, and even faction on faction battles, please choose one of the following options in how this case should be considered.

1. Banned totally
2. Accidents happen, if outclassed units win over their supieriors contact Tass or Googlie for playtesting help to rebalance.
3. Shrugs, it's called a 'random' number generator for a reason.
4. The Randomxenobanana struck again!

Input? I hate making polls.

[Nubclear]

Who's attacking?

Aren't you usually anyway?

Input? I hate making polls.

Hmm....How about this instead?

Instances which can manipulate the random number generators of SMAC/SMAX and doing actions in different orders has been found to drastically change the odds of battles vs. mindworms, IODs, and even faction on faction battles to the point where it can be considered an exploit. Please choose one of the following options in how this case should be dealt with.

1. Completly banned without vote.
2. Put up for vote.
3. Let Tass and Googlie decide.
4. Let it happen.
5. The Randomxenobanana struck again!

[FlameFlash]

Thanks Tass, much less wordy.

Everybody else?

[foolish_icarus]

I'd strike the "to the point where it can be considered an exploit"--because that's what this is all about, determining whether or not it is an exploit. That language would also introduce ambiguity into the decision as there would have to be another evaluation for how far something has to go to be considered an exploit etc. Aside from that its good.

[Nubclear]

But with that language in there, it signals that the poll is about something that influences the RNG in an, er, odd fashion.

[foolish_icarus]

I think

manipulate the random number generators

and

drastically change the odds of battles

indicates that quite well. Anything more is unnecessary and potentially unbalancing.

[Nubclear]

But both are done in normal game operations. One can "drastically change the odds of battles" by building a better unit.
But you are right. This isn't the Civ3 DG...people here are smarter than that

[foolish_icarus]

Ban advanced units! Anything over a scout patrol is unfair and unbalancing! I shall make a poll immediately!

[FlameFlash]

It's mostly diffused and there's still 'discussion' about wordings.

[FlameFlash]

damn double post...

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Ban advanced units! Anything over a scout patrol is unfair and unbalancing! I shall make a poll immediately!

[johndmuller]

Until such time as anyone establishes that there is some predictable pattern to the effects on the random number generator, the only way to take advantage of it is to reload the turn, do something different before the event to be manipulated, and then try again, until you find an outcome that you like. This behavior is already banned under the no intentional reload/replay rule.

Ironically, in the case in point, Googlie was the one who did the reload/vary/replay when he attempted to test our move using a different approach (i.e. failing to do the things that Herc dd in the original version of the play. The baseline event was Hercs variation; Goog's version was publisized first, but actually was not the original version.

I'd be really surprised if it turns out that unbuilding a Command Center before making an attack consistently gives you better battle odds than if you don't unbuild one, so I would consider this to be flukey behavior by the game. The fact remains, however, that in order to exploit this kind of thing, one has to break the longstanding rule about intentional reloads to find a favorable outcome, otherwise, with only one attempt at the event, you don't know what better or worse outcomes are even possible, let alone how to manipulate the game to favor them.

[FlameFlash]

Save that arguement for the poll discussion, that'd be a good one for the stance that one should just let it happen.

[Makahlua]

Well here we go!

The CP is on the transport, and we have by my estimate, 5-6 turns before landfall at the Hive. 3 ships (one Barque, 2 Sloops) are tagged to be trailing; I could also grab the other Sloop out of Pamplona. We're 1 PoE short of being able to prototype an Impact squad there next turn, but I'm thinking to hold that for something stronger when the drones' techs kick in. I'm thinking of sending the sloops along the more northern route to distract Cycon; the BootyBoat and Barque on the WNW route steering close to Roze's lands. (I'll put a picture in the thread.) Oh and the pop on Yardarm yeilded fungus. Woo. Should I try to pop that other pod on the 'Boot with the nearby crawler in case of PoE?

The save: http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?...77_mid2156.sav



Stupid new upload, it's doesn't show normally Anyway!

white/green = the Bootyboat with CP (white) and current sloop escort(green)
gray = sloop coming up from the boot (has already moved this turn
blue = incoming Barque
red=CyCon destoryer @ cailco; probably waiting on maries to capture the city.

slashes are the avaialble moves for the respective ships; pink is the proposed transport route, yellow and grey possible routes to interfere with that destroyer isf it goes west.