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[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Corellion
I see then that Chiron is populated mostly by intelligent people. In that case, I plan to spend my time here doing everything within my power to improve living and working in this world, in my opinion, through the equalisation of all citizens, et cetera.,

Greetings and Welcome to the CCCP, Corellion!

[Pandemoniak]

Welcome to the CCCP Corellion !

To Joe and TKG : the CCCP is a democratic party, and Joe can perfectly says he support a FM for a quicker energetic development. The fact is that most members of the CCCP wouldnt support that (Everyone except for Lucky22 and Joe, plus maybe Tassadar because of the science boost).

I do not personnaly support FM for the reasons Main_Brain talked about : ecodmages, mindworms.

[lucky22]

My support for FM originally arose from a desire to reflect the process Marx and Engels referred to as "primitive accumulation"- the process whereby conquest and colonial mercantilism put all the industrial capital into place over the course of about a millenium.
Upon reflection, simulating primitive accumulation is more of a job for CIV, I'd say. Right now, I am commited to endorsing the development of successful strategies that do not employ FM. It is not much of a stretch to present that as a basic sort of challenge game.
I won't quit or anything if FM is voted in, but I'll keep letting everyone know that under FM not all the kids get equal amounts or equal qualities of Legos, and it isn't because their mums and pops are lazy sods.

Welcome Corellion!

By the way: Gnool has posted recently in at least one game-play related thread. Thorsius is likely to be around and voting (I hope) . Has any one heard from themagicbannana since he ran for every directorate?
Are you out there Thorsius and tmb?

[Thorsius]

Yeah, I'm here and voting lucky22. I know I'm not exactly the most active in posting, but I'm watching it closely. And I agree also with Main_Brain for the most part about FM, although if we were Morgans I might feel differently.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Thorsius
Yeah, I'm here and voting lucky22. I know I'm not exactly the most active in posting, but I'm watching it closely. And I agree also with Main_Brain for the most part about FM, although if we were Morgans I might feel differently.

[Main_Brain]

but your offensive capabilities and therefore the Ability to take easy Planetpearls
And Of Course Longvi. will be more effective under Planned :=P
Ahh the Neverending FM-against Green/Planned War
hehehe

[Method]

actually, i was going to post this sooner. themagicbanana has been banned (i think) for starting numerous threads entitled "civ3 sux", and many people suspect he is a DL. i read this in the community forum, but i don't have a link right now.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by TKG
actually, i was going to post this sooner. themagicbanana has been banned (i think) for starting numerous threads entitled "civ3 sux", and many people suspect he is a DL. i read this in the community forum, but i don't have a link right now.

What's a "DL" by the way?

[Method]

double login. bannable offence.

[lucky22]

Ah. Many thanks, TKG.

[Main_Brain]

@TKG is that quote form Fred Dales at Microsoft Corp. in
Redmond, WA. ?

[Pandemoniak]

If other members of the CCCP agree, I declare themagicbanana banned from the CCCP.

Originally posted by lucky22
My support for FM originally arose from a desire to reflect the process Marx and Engels referred to as "primitive accumulation"- the process whereby conquest and colonial mercantilism put all the industrial capital into place over the course of about a millenium.
Upon reflection, simulating primitive accumulation is more of a job for CIV, I'd say. Right now, I am commited to endorsing the development of successful strategies that do not employ FM. It is not much of a stretch to present that as a basic sort of challenge game.
I won't quit or anything if FM is voted in, but I'll keep letting everyone know that under FM not all the kids get equal amounts or equal qualities of Legos, and it isn't because their mums and pops are lazy sods.

Welcome Corellion!

By the way: Gnool has posted recently in at least one game-play related thread. Thorsius is likely to be around and voting (I hope) . Has any one heard from themagicbannana since he ran for every directorate?
Are you out there Thorsius and tmb?

About FM : You all know I'm more a "bakuninian" than a "marxist", though its all quite similar. Anyway, the main problem with FM is that me must eradicate the State itself before we apply it, so that we can avoid mistakes such as protectionism, governments directed by militaro-fungal lobbies, etc... The Free Markets are a good idea in itself : despite that, the theories elaborated by the Industrial Economics wont allow us to free the people freeing the markets, on the contrary. The application of theses theories involve not only ecological damage for the sake of energy, but will mostly unsatisfy our citizens.

I would sum up that shortly :
I wont support Free Market until all factions gather again, in any way.
Pandemoniak,
Conversation between Bakunin and Planet

If other members of the CCCP agree, I declare themagicbanana banned from the CCCP.

[Schinkenjoe]

Sorry it seems like a silly question, but why is Planned economy always considered better ideolgically than FM ?
In both systems many persons have to fulfill the decisions of few, in Planned the decisions come from state authority, in FM from the energy monopolists.
Both aren´t economy systems of freedom.

The only advantage is that Planned can be abolished much easier than FM, but only if the control lies in hands, which want to abolish it.

Justs because the Soviets took Planned along for 70 years, we mustn´t do the same mistake. And it was a mistake, because the intention of not giving up Planned was not to give up their control over society and they justfied their rule only through productivity and terror.

The crucial question is if there is a mayority to run Green.

Your opinion ?

P.S.: that banning seems ok to me.

[Main_Brain]

Because we PopBoom? OH you meant Ideollgically?
nope I cant


*agress to Banning*

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by Schinkenjoe
Sorry it seems like a silly question, but why is Planned economy always considered better ideolgically than FM ?
In both systems many persons have to fulfill the decisions of few, in Planned the decisions come from state authority, in FM from the energy monopolists.
Both aren´t economy systems of freedom.

The only advantage is that Planned can be abolished much easier than FM, but only if the control lies in hands, which want to abolish it.

Justs because the Soviets took Planned along for 70 years, we mustn´t do the same mistake. And it was a mistake, because the intention of not giving up Planned was not to give up their control over society and they justfied their rule only through productivity and terror.

The crucial question is if there is a mayority to run Green.

Your opinion ?

P.S.: that banning seems ok to me.

Well, the thing is that soviets were running on planned and police state : therefore, the planification of production and thus the planification of economy itself was made by a few controlling the others citizens. On the contrary, running under planned in a free democracy is rather like the Paris Commune : the plans are made by the state, that IS the citizens. So yes, a planned economy can free, running under democracy.