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  • ACDGIV Proposal

    There hasn't been any posts in this forum in three days. This is a summary of the polls and discussion so far for ACDGIV.

    a) SPDG
    b) SMACX
    c) SMAniaC mod with AI boosted and assisted by CMN
    d) faction played: Believer
    f) opponents: Gaians, Hive, Morgan, Pirates, Spartans, University

    Game setup:

    Code:
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    Preference..	|	Settings
    
    Map size	|	Standard
    Ocean		|	Average
    Erosion		|	Average
    Life		|	Average
    Clouds		|	Average
    Difficulty	|	Transcend
    
    Transcend	|	Yes
    Conquest	|	Yes
    Diplomatic	|	Yes
    Economic	|	Yes
    Cooperative	|	Yes
    Do or Die	|	Yes
    Flexible start	|	Yes
    Tech stag	|	No
    Spoils of war	|	No
    Blind research	|	No
    Intense riv	|	No
    No survey	|	Yes
    No scatter	|	No
    No rnd events	|	No
    Time Warp	|	No
    Iron man	|	No
    Rand person	|	No
    Rand social	|	No
    
    g) secret missions
    
    h)  game structure:
    Church Structure

    The Lordís Conclave has three organizational levels:
    1. The Clergy
    2. The Episcopate
    3. The Curia

    1. The Clergy consists of all the people participating in the ACDG.
    Any clergyman may, via posting a poll, propose clerical law concerning the faction as a whole, including establishing and changing the tax rate of on the bases. The Clergy may not use polls to usurp the rights of the Episcopate. A proposal becomes clerical law if:
    a) The YEA votes are bigger than the NAY votes
    b) The number of YEA votes reaches a certain quorum. The quorum is 50% of the votes in the last election for the Pontifex Maximus (cfr infra).
    c) The poll has been open for 2 days

    2. The Episcopate consists of the Bishops. Bishops are base governors, and have the right to control of everything in their base screens, placement of workers and creation of specialists, facility and unit construction, build queues, and the movement and activities of all units supported by their bases.

    3. The Curia is the administrative apparatus of the Conclave.
    The head of the Curia and of the faction as a whole is the Pontifex Maximus (in short: Pontifex). S/he is the turnplayer, or may appoint someone to play the turn instead. The Curia is divided into several Dicasteries, each with a specific function.

    4. Religious Orders may be formed at any time by any member of the Clergy.
    a) An Order is a group of ideologically close individuals, who are striving to achieve their political and other goals through the Order's unified power.
    b) Orders can control property, through bases controlled by members of the Order. An Order gets control of a base by getting one of their members elected as Bishop of that base.
    c) Joining an Order is voluntary.
    d) A base can shift among Orders if the Bishop of that base changes Order or a new Bishop is elected.
    e) Each Order shall maintain its own membership lists. It has the power to refuse admission to its roster and to expel members.
    f) An Order may choose to keep their ideology secret.
    g) For glory and advantage, an Order may request a secret quest from the CMN.

    5. A Dicastery controls a specific game function of the faction (e.g. military units, research, social engineering, HQ governance). The creation, dissolution and function of Dicasteries are governed by clerical law. The head of a Dicastery is allowed to give orders to the turnplayer on his or her specific field.

    The hierarchy of authority is as follows:

    For factional matters:
    1. Factional laws accepted by the Clergy
    2. The competent Dicastery head
    3. The Pontifex Maximus
    4. The turnplayer

    For Episcopal matters:
    1. The bishop
    2. The competent Dicastery head
    3. The Pontifex Maximus
    4. The turnplayer

    Factional law accepted by the clergy and orders by the bishops have the highest authority. If no relevant law has been passed, no orders have been given, or the law or orders need to be worked out in further detail, the competent Dicastery head may give orders. If no orders from the Dicastery have been given, the Pontifex (or his/her appointee) may use his or her best judgement during turnplaying.


    Elections

    Every 15 M.Y. two official polls are held in which all the members of the Clergy may vote. They are open for 2 days.

    The first poll is the election of the Pontifex Maximus at the end of each month. Every clergyman may announce their candidacy for the Pontificate. A candidate must gain 50%+1 (as always, rounded down) of the votes to be elected. If no one gains that number of votes in the first round, a second round is held between the two candidates with the most votes.

    In the second poll the Clergy must announce or confirm their support of a Religious Order. Each Order is alloted a number of votes which is the sum of the votes received in this poll plus the number of bases governed by their members ("points").

    An Order may bid its points toward control of a Dicastery. Two or more Orders my combine their points. If there is only one bid, the winner loses a point and designates the head of that Dicastery. If there are more than one bid, the winner loses one more point than the second place bid and designates the Dicastery. The losing bidder(s) retains all points and may bid on another Dicastery.

    Episcopal Structure

    Each person can choose to live in a specific base in the faction. People who do not specify a base are assumed to live in our headquarters base. The Curia live at the headquarters base.

    Each base and its surroundings forms a diocese. Only people living in a certain base are allowed to elect the Bishop for the corresponding diocese. The only exception is the Holy See, our headquarters, which is always governed by a member of the Curia.

    The citizens of several bases can unite their dioceses into one bigger Ecclesiastical province (in short: province), and rule it as if it were one diocese, with one bishop election, and factional law applying to the province as a whole. The citizens of a base can at a later date always decide to leave the province.

    There can at most only be as many bases in a province as there are people living in that province.

    If a base or the province containing the base has been founded for at least 15 M.Y., and it has at least three citizens, those citizens can vote with a 50%+1 majority to forbid migration of certain people to their base or province.
    9
    Yes, let's get started!
    77.78%
    7
    No, let's have more discussion.
    22.22%
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    Last edited by vyeh; April 10, 2006, 12:37.
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  • #2
    Who will be the CMN(s)?
    SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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    • #3
      Yes, let's get started!

      Regarding CMN, I would be willing to set the game up, regarding map and AI starting positions. I could still participate in the ACDG then - I just would keep my mouth shut in exploration discussions.

      Of course I couldn't assist the AI midgame then.
      Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
      Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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      • #4
        Yes, that is precisely why I asked who is the CMN.
        SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
        The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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        • #5
          There seems to be a lack of players currently.

          Maybe we shouldn't start a demogame at all ?
          no sig

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          • #6
            They may be on spring break

            Originally posted by PJayTycy
            There seems to be a lack of players currently.

            Maybe we shouldn't start a demogame at all ?
            They may be on spring break. Let's wait a week.

            Once we agree on a game, we can (with the moderator's permission) put a short post on the other AC forums. That may attract other players.

            If Maniac doesn't believe we need CMN assistance and no one wants to just be the CMN, we can forego the CMN assistance. For that matter, we could generate a random map (so Maniac can be involved in the exploration). I threw in the AI boosted and assisted because Humphrey on the "modified v. vanilla" thread was interested in "SMAniaC + boosted". He didn't say "assisted" and Maniac had pointed out earlier that the boosted AI's seem to be quite capable of holding up, so I think we can forego the assistance.
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            • #7
              I can prolly CMN this one - although I want to participate in an SPDG, this currently proposed one just isn't turning my crank

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              • #8
                Btw, Googlie, you said in the other thread you'd prefer Morgan more. There's nothing preventing you to form some corporate faction within the Conclave. Didn't eg Endymion have something like that?
                Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                • #9
                  Well, I am sorry to point it out, but it has to be said.
                  In this poll
                  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=150577
                  I count presently:
                  6 for SMAniaC
                  9 for Vanila SMAX
                  So it looks like vanila has preference.
                  Mart
                  Map creation contest
                  WPC SMAC(X) Democracy Game - Morganities aspire to dominate Planet

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                  • #10
                    The 'two or more of the above' were for SMAniaC, so it's actually SMAniaC 8 - vanilla 9. But yeah, vanilla SMAX still has a slight majority. However I don't see any of the pro-vanilla voters busy in setting up a DG. If they want one, they'll have to organize it themselves of course...
                    (the result of that poll is why I haven't bothered much anymore with DG discussion and polling btw - sorry vyeh)
                    Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
                    Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)

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                    • #11
                      There seem to be moderate enthusiasm for a new DG now.
                      So either the game will start now with limited members and later it will grow, as new people join or we still discuss it.
                      Both ways have advantages and disadvantages.

                      We could start to play and keep everything open, so more people get interested.
                      Mart
                      Map creation contest
                      WPC SMAC(X) Democracy Game - Morganities aspire to dominate Planet

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                      • #12
                        CMN
                        In a few days Darsnan should be around.
                        How about asking him to setup the game?
                        Unless he wants to join the Order
                        Mart
                        Map creation contest
                        WPC SMAC(X) Democracy Game - Morganities aspire to dominate Planet

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Maniac
                          Btw, Googlie, you said in the other thread you'd prefer Morgan more. There's nothing preventing you to form some corporate faction within the Conclave. Didn't eg Endymion have something like that?
                          Good point - and there's nothing to prevent the conclave (B's) from running Dem/FM/Wealth if they so wish - it's Knowledge that's their aversion

                          Be sorta like the CEO of the Vatican Bank getting elected Pope? No?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mart7x5
                            Well, I am sorry to point it out, but it has to be said.
                            In this poll
                            http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=150577
                            I count presently:
                            6 for SMAniaC
                            9 for Vanila SMAX
                            So it looks like vanila has preference.
                            Originally posted by Maniac
                            The 'two or more of the above' were for SMAniaC, so it's actually SMAniaC 8 - vanilla 9. But yeah, vanilla SMAX still has a slight majority. However I don't see any of the pro-vanilla voters busy in setting up a DG. If they want one, they'll have to organize it themselves of course...
                            (the result of that poll is why I haven't bothered much anymore with DG discussion and polling btw - sorry vyeh)
                            Please note that the poll did NOT produce a majority. The current results are:
                            6 for SMAniaC
                            4 for boosted, assisted vanilla
                            3 for boosted, non-assisted vanilla
                            2 for non-boosted, assisted vanilla
                            2 for two or more of the above
                            1 not playing

                            When I saw the poll did not produce a majority, I posted a thread "Discussion about SMAniaC in ACDGIV" and begged for comments from people opposed to SMAniac ("I'd like to hear from you and particularly welcome reasons why people do not want to play SMAniaC.")

                            At this point, there are two responses from Player99 and fed1943 and both are IN FAVOR of SMAniaC.

                            Please note that SMAniaC received a plurality (the most votes of any of the choices). It is very dangerous to assume that all the people voting for the vanilla choices (boosted or not, assisted or not) would be willing to play any vanilla game. Conceivably, there could be people who would prefer playing a boosted vanilla game, but would prefer an unassisted SMAniaC to an assisted vanilla.

                            Since SMAniaC received the most votes and most of the people who are putting forth the creative effort are willing to try SMAniaC, we should go with SMAniaC.
                            Last edited by vyeh; April 12, 2006, 14:19.
                            Unofficial SMAC/X Patches Version 1.0 @ Civilization Gaming Network

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                            • #15
                              I am warming to the proposal re the Believers and of course I will be in: it would be a kinda of cardinal sin not to be.
                              On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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