Can a case be made for a Ukrainian civ for a Europe map?

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb
You better check yours, wtf is hungred?

Hundred, my mistake, but I am right when it comes to "several"
word
In a dictionary:
1. (three or more) kilka
2. (separate) osobny, oddzielny, odrebny

This is bullsh!t. Nations didn't exist then. Kiev and Novgorod city-states were no more different than Sparta and Athens, for example.
So should we have a different civs for Sparta and Athens then, istead of Greece?

There are big differences, Serb.
1) Greece is a small country, there was a proximity between Athens and Greece
2) Athens and Greece stayed under since Philip the Macedonian,
with proper autonomy, of course, and with a pause of XIII and XIV centuries
3. There are no separate Spartan and Athenian nations, languages or states today

Edit: there was a pause when Venitians controlled Morea for a while too

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb


It's not surprising. Polish is just a screwed up version of Russian.

I will leave it without comment...
Anyway, does it mean Poles and Russians should make a common civ?

[Barinthus]

Not wanting to be involved in this mmm discussion but I'd like a clarification on Urkanians as people - IIRC Kiev was actually a Viking settlement and other people in the area was mostly Slavs?

In fact why don't we have Slav civ since we do have Celts and other civs that 'descended' from Celts such as the English. But that's a completely seperate thread.

[Popovic]

2 quotes from Serb :

We started our history as ONE nation and were separated (for a bit) later.

This is bullsh!t. Nations didn't exist then

Simply brilliant.
Try contradicting yourselves on different pages, and then perhaps people won't notice. Completely contradicting yourself is ok, as long as you put something in between. That's a basic politician/journalist's trick.

I thought the panslavic bullcrap was dead but no. Apparently there are still some retards that believe in it in Russia. Putin and Elstin can be proud of themselves, the cattle follows just as planned.
Just imagine a pan-latin movement. The Romanians and the Portuguese are one nation, oh that's so obvious.

We're all wasting our time. You're a kid (I'd say ~14 )that doesn't know sh*t about anything and you're no different from stupid american "patriots" or English hooligans. Get a life and some education... for your own good.

[Heresson]

The scary part is that Serb is not a teenager...
Bari, what do You want from my side in this discussion?

[Barinthus]

I don't know I guess I'm being stupid ha.

I've always figured Urkanians as Nordic-Slavic people.

[Heresson]

Well, Kievan Ruthenia WAS established by Scandinavians, but Serb doesn't believe that, of course.

[Serb]

Of course it was not. Kiev was not founded by Vikings as well as Novgorod wasn't founded by them.

[Heresson]

And Moscow is the third Rome, right?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
There are big differences, Serb.

Not really.

1) Greece is a small country, there was a proximity between Athens and Greece

How many times should I tell ya? Size doesn't matter.

2) Athens and Greece stayed under since Philip the Macedonian,
with proper autonomy, of course, and with a pause of XIII and XIV centuries

IIRC, under Alexander's daddy, it was the Korinf's Union of independednt Greek sity-states. And? Your point is?
The same was in Kiev's Rus.

3. There are no separate Spartan and Athenian nations, languages or states today

Edit: there was a pause when Venitians controlled Morea for a while too

There were no separate Russian and Ukranian nations or states untill 1991. Ukranian language is artificial creation and bsically is just a dialect of Russian.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
And Moscow is the third Rome, right?

Exactly.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson


I will leave it without comment...
Anyway, does it mean Poles and Russians should make a common civ?

Of course not. You are heretics and shame of Slavic brotherhood. Go convert yourself to the true religion first.

[Heresson]

And Soviet Union was just about to become the best country in the world, wwhen foreign plots and internal traitors destroyed it, right?

Wait, it WAS the best country in the world, right?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Popovic
2 quotes from Serb :
Simply brilliant.

Thanks.

Try contradicting yourselves on different pages, and then perhaps people won't notice. Completely contradicting yourself is ok, as long as you put something in between. That's a basic politician/journalist's trick.

1) English is not my native language and as Heresson already prove it, quite often my English sucks.
2) When I said this, I meant in modern sense of this word. In civ's terms it means that nationalism wasn't invented yet.
3) Kiev's Rus was a union of city-states. It wasn't a nation in modern sense of this word, like today Russia, but it was a nation anyway. People of those cities were Slavs who shared the same language, religion and culture. Kiev doesn't called Mother of all Russian cities for nothing. That's what I meant.

I thought the panslavic bullcrap was dead but no.

It will never die.

Apparently there are still some retards that believe in it in Russia. Putin and Elstin can be proud of themselves, the cattle follows just as planned.
Just imagine a pan-latin movement. The Romanians and the Portuguese are one nation, oh that's so obvious.

Eltsin is criminal who destroyed the country where I was born. He will burn in hell for what he done with Russia.

We're all wasting our time. You're a kid (I'd say ~14 )that doesn't know sh*t about anything and you're no different from stupid american "patriots" or English hooligans. Get a life and some education... for your own good.

I'm 27, finished my univercity 10 years ago and have a beautiful wife.
So go ahead, educate me about life.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
And Soviet Union was just about to become the best country in the world, wwhen foreign plots and internal traitors destroyed it, right?

Wait, it WAS the best country in the world, right?

It was way better than modern Russian Federation. And yes, it was destroyed by evil Yankees and their lackeys like Eltsin.