Great War (WWI) scenario?

[Rasbelin]

There has been some discussion on what
civs should be included in a WWII scenario.
I had a brainwave while reading the postings;
why not also make a Great War scenario for Civ III,
if there's not one included with the game!

My suggestion as civs and leaders in the scenario
are...

Russia - Czar Nicholas II
Germany - Wilhelm II
Austria-Hungary - Franz Josef
France - Georges Clemenceau (PM) or
Raymond Poincare (president)
Britain - Lloyd George
Italy - Victor Emmanuel III
Greece - Eleutherios Venizelos
Ottoman empire - Enver Pasa
(sorry, couldn't get the Turkish "s with a tail")

I haven't thought through the UU's, sorry.
I'll post them later.

OT: Is anyone else interested to make a Great War scenario?

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Edit: added the forgotten Greece.

[Rasbelin]

BTW, other minor civs could be Sweden,
Netherlands, Belgium and Spain.

Sweden - Gustav V
Netherlands - Wilhelmina
Belgium - Albert
Spain - Alfonso XIII

[Faboba]

While I'm widely known not to be particularly pro-american I don't think you should overlook them. Though they didn't play a major part in the fighting till right at the very end, they did help with financing it quite a bit.

( I'm not interested PERSONALLY but I'm willing to bet if it isn't one of the scenarios the game ships with you can bet there'll be about 20 made within the first six months - what happenes when you give civ starved players an editor. )

p.s- Serbia as well? An ally of France ( and consequently Russia ) they started the whole bloody thing by assasinating the Austrian Crown Prince ( so one may argue that the Austrians, though maybe taking it a bit far, were in the right which makes the allies 'the baddies'. Food for thought )

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Faboba
While I'm widely known not to be particularly pro-american I don't think you should overlook them.

Oh my goodness! I have forgot US!

United States - Woodrow Wilson

( I'm not interested PERSONALLY but I'm willing to bet if it isn't one of the scenarios the game ships with you can bet there'll be about 20 made within the first six months - what happenes when you give civ starved players an editor. )

But many of them will be lousy (IMO).

p.s- Serbia as well?

Er... wasn't Serbia a part of Austria-Hungary?
Gavrilo Princip murdered that fat old prince, because
the "Black Hand" group wanted an independent Yugoslavia.

P.S. Sarajevo isn't in today's Serbia.

[Dr. Nick]

Rather than forgetting the US, you forgot a much more important area: The Balkan Powderkeg! Serbia, Bulgaria, Rumania, Montenegro, any quasi-independent nations in the Balkans deserve being there.

And if you want to make it full blown scenario, you also need to include the Turks and the Emirates of the Hedjaz.

As to the UU:

Russia - Cossacks
Germany - Storm Troopers/Big Bertha. Possibly U-boat as well.
Austria-Hungary - Field Artillery (Skoda works)
France - Foreign Legion?
Britain - Superdreadnaughts
Italy - Dunno.
Greece - Dunno.
Ottoman empire - Nothing really.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Faboba
p.s- Serbia as well? An ally of France ( and consequently Russia ) they started the whole bloody thing by assasinating the Austrian Crown Prince ( so one may argue that the Austrians, though maybe taking it a bit far, were in the right which makes the allies 'the baddies'. Food for thought )

The British could have prevented the war if they had made their intentions clear. But that is a debate best left to Imran.

Also I don't think France and Serbia were alligned. IIRC Austo-Hungary put pressure on Serbia, and the Russians alligned themselves to protect Serbia. When Germany got involved by supporting Austria-Hungary the French were called upon by the Russians. Britain got involved "officially" due to a pact with Belgium, but there were other obvious reasons to get involved.

It is a bizarre fact that in both WW Britain declared war on Germany and not the other way around.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by El Awrence
Rather than forgetting the US, you forgot a much more important area: The Balkan Powderkeg! Serbia, Bulgaria, Rumania, Montenegro, any quasi-independent nations in the Balkans deserve being there.

They were imporatnt too, I can agree with you.
I just thought too many civs might confuse the player.

And if you want to make it full blown scenario, you also need to include the Turks and the Emirates of the Hedjaz.

Turks? Pardon, but then you should add 10 years to the
hour glass.

As to the UU:

Ottoman empire - Nothing really.

A certain officer named Mustafa Kemal.

[Dr. Nick]

Originally posted by Rasbelin
Turks? Pardon, but then you should add 10 years to the
hour glass.

What do you mean? The Turks were in WWI...

[Lawrence of Arabia]

A certain officer named Mustafa Kemal

aka Attaturk

[Alfonsus72]

To make the game historically accurated, and now that the 16 civs and the increased map size make it possible, the balkans minor nations should be included:

Serbia + Montenegro
Romania
Bulgary



In fact, war started due to the tension between Austria-Hungary and Russia in the Balkans theatre.

Other important:

Irish rebels- supported by germans.


Due to the importance of strategic resources trade, some trading nations could be added (Sweden). Some could appear even out of the map, as the USA used to be represented in WW1 and WW2 european scenarios, making the german submarine blockade of Britain simulable, I´m thinking in the Colonial empires of England and France, as prime resources supporters.

[Alexander I]

Great ideas, folks!

What if you could make it that the whole war was shaped in another direction. What I mean is...

Bismarck's plan for continuing German success ran like this.

There are five great European powers.

Germany, France, Britain, Russia, Austria-Hungary.

As long as German is allied with at least two of these, they will win any war they fight.

So you see the problem in the first world war. Imbalance, and continuing stalemate. What if the alliances could be shifted. Britain with the Germans and Austrians perhaps?

Could it be a historical remake? Alternate history? Or, more importantly, could the CivIII engine handle it?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by El Awrence


What do you mean? The Turks were in WWI...

The "sick man of Europe" was still called the Ottoman Empire (final dissolution in 1924).

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by El Awrence

What do you mean? The Turks were in WWI...

Not the Turks, idiot!
The Ottomans!

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia

aka Attaturk

Not during the Great War.
And it's Atatürk, not Attaturk.
Touché!

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

The "sick man of Europe" was still called the Ottoman Empire (final dissolution in 1924).

Or that what remained of it after the Great War.