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That sounds alot like Forced Labour.
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Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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Don't know anything about Master of Magic. My point, which LC bolsters nicely, was simply that there are times when it's beneficial in Civ to kill your own population.Solomwi is very wise. - Imran SiddiquiComment
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I've always thought the idea of killing my own population off to be counter-productive but I can see where it may be useful at higher levels (regent+). It would increase production and help keep cities from rioting.
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Forced Labour gives a happiness penalty, so it doesn't really help with happiness.
The really evil use of it is to get rid of foreign nationals in conquered cities ASAP.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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Does that penalty go away?Originally posted by Last Conformist
Forced Labour gives a happiness penalty, so it doesn't really help with happiness."And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
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It lasts 20 turns per citizen converted to shields.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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I just had a thought...though I don't think this would ever go into a game, and is already somewhat represented by the fact you can sacrifice slave workers and raze towns, why is there so much bad talk about this, and yet nothing was mentioned about the citizen-grinder in Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge? It seemed to pass the PC filter, game-testing, &c. Though I wouldn't want, nor would anyone want, to play as the Nazis and sacrifice 'Jews' (ie slave workers), but perhaps in a scenario where you can only play as the allies it would actually be more of an incentive to beat and absolutely conquer the Nazis, and give a sense of urgency that was present during the historical time of WW2.
Any thoughts?I AM.CHRISTIANComment
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I would not feel any particular urgency to prevent fictional Nazis from killing equally fictional Jews, I'm afraid. But it could work as a scoring mechanism - lose X points for each Jew unit destroyed.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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we could also put in the rape of nanking. raises soldiers morale. Along with raising the morale of your units, it should also increase the population of the city by one.
how's that for sick?Last edited by Dis; May 17, 2004, 14:56.Comment
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I don't think they have the 1st ammendment in greeceOriginally posted by Trip
I know many people who have been victims of or part of something that would be considered 'taboo' for a game of this sort. However, I understand that it's just a game, and when I nuke or bomb or raze a city it only represents something abstract.
The goal of the game is to simulate history and the choices leaders throughout history had to make. In most games having a "Nazi sacrifices Jew unit" would not be appropriate in a historical context. However, when considering a certain environment it may be an important part of it. And its your right to ignore or respond negatively to a scenario or mod that includes it.
I understand that some people may be upset about this, but there will always be situations like that. If I personally find myself offended by something, then I just find something else to worry about. No one is forcing anyone to read this thread or make a mod including this idea or play a mod that includes it.
That's why there's nothing wrong with this thread, and why the 1st Amendment is in place - nobody is forcing you to listen or to participate. If you don't want to be involved then move on.
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I was a bit puzzled by that too. We certainly don't have it in Britain, and a damned good thing too!don't think they have the 1st ammendment in greece
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And I also don't think that's relevant.Originally posted by Dissident
I don't think they have the 1st ammendment in greece
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Considering that Nanjing's population fell with about 50%, the effect may have be reconsidered.Originally posted by Dissident
we could also put in the rape of nanking. raises soldiers morale. Along with raising the morale of your units, it should also increase the population of the city by one.
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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What's sick is that was the rule rather than the exception before modern times.Originally posted by Dissident
we could also put in the rape of nanking. raises soldiers morale. Along with raising the morale of your units, it should also increase the population of the city by one.
how's that for sick?
Anyway, Civ is way up on the strategic level of simulation. Getting down to the personal level is outside the scope of the game (unless Civ4 becomes something like Sim-Civ 
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Originally posted by Vince278
What's sick is that was the rule rather than the exception before modern times. Anyway, Civ is way up on the strategic level of simulation. Getting down to the personal level is outside the scope of the game (unless Civ4 becomes something like Sim-Civ ).
don't give them ideas.
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