Everything about Corruption: C3C edition

[Solomwi]

C3C or earlier? It makes a huge difference.

If C3C (and I presume so, given the thread), don't worry about it, unless you want to shift your Palace a little farther away. The major benefit is the OCN increase, and not the distance decrease.

If Civ3/PTW, build your palace (hopefully by rushing) in the German territory.

Either way, you'll have to move your Palace, not the FP, unless I'm missing something.

[SirOsis]

For some reason the selections in the updated version don't work for me. Can someone submit a fixed version?

[Solomwi]

The spreadsheet, you mean? I haven't had any problems with the selections, using Excel 2003. Here's the latest, but not having any problems with it, there hasn't been any fix on the selections. Let me know if it doesn't work.

[Aqualung71]

Solomwi, there's a problem with the latest version. The mpa size tab starts out as Huge, but when you click the dropw down menu, it only gives you the choice of "yes" or "no". Also, the difficulty level only allows for Demigod through Sid.

(BTW: your avatar is way cool....and matches my sig )

[Geronimo]

Very helpful post!

So every time we build a corruption wonder it's like adding a second palace and distance corruption always uses the distance to the closest 'palace'?

[Kloreep]

It's not like adding a second palace for number of cities corruption, of course, but yes, it's like a second palace for distance corruption.

[Solomwi]

That's what I get for pretty much playing exclusively huge monarch maps.


Not sure how that happened, but the cell references had just gotten jumbled up a bit. I fixed both problems, and my apologies for doubting SirOsis.

[SirOsis]

Excellent. Thanks for the fix. Now I can delve deeper into corruption.

[SirOsis]

As I'm delving I've got some questions. If I have it right building the FP affects rank corruption? Is it only in that city? Or does it affect surrounding cities?

[Kloreep]

It increases the Optimal City Number, which reduces the effects of rank corruption. It does not affect any one city per se, but rather the global formula that affects all of them.

[Solomwi]

Right, as I understand it. It lessens rank corruption empire-wide by increasing the OCN, and lessens distance corruption on a per-city basis for those cities that are closer to it than to the palace.

My apologies again, SO, and glad to see you putting it to good use.

[joncnunn]

It is also a minus 70% to max corruption in the city in which it's built.

Originally posted by Kloreep
It increases the Optimal City Number, which reduces the effects of rank corruption. It does not affect any one city per se, but rather the global formula that affects all of them.

[SirOsis]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Right, as I understand it. It lessens rank corruption empire-wide by increasing the OCN, and lessens distance corruption on a per-city basis for those cities that are closer to it than to the palace.

My apologies again, SO, and glad to see you putting it to good use.

So the FP is considered another capital in regards to distance corruption? I'm having trouble getting the city ranks right. Is it only distance from the capital that determines a city rank?

[joncnunn]

FP in Conquest does not give a new set of city ranks.

There's two forms of corruption:

Distance based (FP helps by taking the min value)

City Rank from the Capital (FP increases the OCN)

And there are also max values:

90% anything

Each Corruption Fighting Improvement : -10%
Each Corruption Fighting Small Wonder / Palace : -70%

Court Houses / Police Stations / WLTPD [Shields only] also decrease the effective City Rank of the city with them.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by SirOsis


So the FP is considered another capital in regards to distance corruption? I'm having trouble getting the city ranks right. Is it only distance from the capital that determines a city rank?

What I've done to get the ranks right is input distance to palace for every city, then sort the cities by d (ascending), then founding date (descending for BC cities, ascending for AD cities), then change d for those closer to the FP. It requires you to do it twice, once for cities founded in BC and once for cities founded in AD, so it's not really a very good method, but I haven't really taken the time to allow input for distance to both palace and FP, which I really need to do, to better model an empire with a FP. The formulae themselves shouldn't be difficult.

Up until recently, I wasn't sure if anybody was using it, so the push to more accurately model the FP placement wasn't very urgent.