Leaders through the Ages III: Back with a vengeance!

[History Guy]

Boris,

I think the Hittites are as good as. No one else had a great leader named Mursilis as far as I know.

As for the Sumerians, actually, Gilgamesh was a real Sumerian leader, King of Uruk in 2700 BC. He wasn't a particularly good king, actually, if the records left by the Babylonians are correct, but he was still a genuine king all the same. So, he's rather more Sumerian that Sargon of Akkad, who was a bit too northern.

[Boris Godunov]

Gilgamesh actually made king, did he? I knew he was from the Age of Heroes, but didn't know he'd actually been a king.

Sargon kicked arse, however, and was perhaps history's first known empire-builder. And his name is cool.

Sure, he was Akkadian, but close enough! He certainly was a more important ruler than Gilgamesh was!

Hmmm, maybe they just should have gone with Zaggesi!

[Elden]

Originally posted by History Guy
Elden,

You're right about Mursilis, but I don't think so where Gilgamesh is concerned. How many ancient Sumerians ran around dressed like that? It's too medieval. Besides, that isn't the same background.

Look at the picture of Hannibal at http://www.civ3.com/ptw_prof_carth.cfm then look at Gilgamesh again or better yet at his larger preview in the Conquests screenshots section at civ3.com, after doing that tell me they are not the same.

[Nakar Gabab]

Alright, everybody with me here:

Sargon can't be the Sumerian leader because Sargon was an Akkadian.

And the Akkadian Empire is entirely different from the Sumerian Empire, blah blah blah. You get the picture.

Still, it's going to be odd having the Sumerians, Babylonians, Persians, AND Arabs in effectively the same place.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by Elden


Look at the picture of Hannibal at http://www.civ3.com/ptw_prof_carth.cfm then look at Gilgamesh again or better yet at his larger preview in the Conquests screenshots section at civ3.com, after doing that tell me they are not the same.

they are not the same

(OK, they are... )

cheers

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Nakar Gabab
Alright, everybody with me here:

Sargon can't be the Sumerian leader because Sargon was an Akkadian.

And the Akkadian Empire is entirely different from the Sumerian Empire, blah blah blah. You get the picture.

This is quibbling. It is like saying James I can't be considered an English king because he was from Scotland.

Sargon was from Akkad, but he ruled over Sumeria for 54 years, which was quite a hefty timespan. And I doubt Akkad was that much culturally different from Sumeria, although they were Semitic peoples.

Considering the liberties they take with other rulers (Joan of Arc, Hannibal), having Sargon as their ruler wouldn't be inappropriate, and it would be recognizing history's first great conqueror. It would seem to me more appropriate than Gilgamesh, who never ruled over all of Sumeria, but was just the king of one city-state.

[Spiffor]

Yes, but Gilgamesh has a way cooler name

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Yes, but Gilgamesh has a way cooler name

I don't think so. Compared to Sargon? Sargon sounds powerful--it sounds like a great leader, someone Tolkien would have invented.

Gilgamesh sounds like a topping for falafel.

[History Guy]

Elden, it isn't the same. Look closer, there is clearly an ocean behind Hannibal. Behind Gilgamesh, there is clearly...a wall! They are not the same.

Boris, you are right, but only based on other leader choices from the game. Otherwise, I'd have to disagree.

[ixnay]

Good to see this thread is alive and kicking. Anyways, I'm not going to be able to update this until i am reunited with my computer (it'll be a few weeks).

[Elden]

Originally posted by History Guy
Elden, it isn't the same. Look closer, there is clearly an ocean behind Hannibal. Behind Gilgamesh, there is clearly...a wall! They are not the same.

The wall is also there for Hannibal.

[Gramphos]

You have improved your layout alot since the first thread. It's interesting to see how all these speculation threads return...

And the background is the same.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by History Guy
Elden, it isn't the same. Look closer, there is clearly an ocean behind Hannibal. Behind Gilgamesh, there is clearly...a wall! They are not the same.

Elden is right.

cheers

[Elden]

Elden is right.

I'm glad I didn't make a mistake but I hope they haven't recycled any other leaderheads.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by Elden


I'm glad I didn't make a mistake but I hope they haven't recycled any other leaderheads.

i think this is a temporary background until they make up something unique

cheers