New XP announced

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
If not, you only get vanilla features and conquest features (you don't get the 8 PTW civs, multiplayet, med. inf, etc)

Actually, multiplayer will be a Conquests feature as well. From the official FAQ :

Will Civilization III: Conquests include multiplayer support?
Yes! Civilization III: Conquests will include enhanced multiplayer support!

[brianshapiro]

how many of the new government types, resources, etc will be mainly for the new campaigns / scenarios

[Louis XXIV]

Spiffor, but they may only enhance it for the people who have PTW

brianshapiro, that is certaintly a possibility

[Alfonso]

My suggestions for the expansion:

• Leader naval: They would have the same options that the terrestrial ones, that is to say, could finish a wonder or form a Navy. When discovering Navigation and having an active Navy would unblock the small wonder “Naval academy” that would serve to create Navies. The Navies serian in the sea the equivalent thing to the earth armies.
• When increasing the displeasure in your nation at crazy levels, that can arise a civil war.
• To balance the technological development so that more it is calmed at the beginning of the game.
• The Portuguese.
• To improve the AI so that it is not necessary to give advantage him at the beginning of the game in high levels in difficulty and does not make traps.
• More diplomatic options.
• The option to create economic unions between nations, those nations would share the military resources and alliances for always. Seemed to the European Union.
• More economic options.
• Masculine and feminine leader for each nation. Example: For the Spanish civilization, to be able to choose between Felipe II or Isabel the Catholic.
• To be able to choose the unique unit of each faction between several at the beginning of the game. Example: For the Spanish civilization, to be able to choose between the Tercios or the Conquerors.
• To be able to construct to naval bases of your nation in any country friend.
• That the explorers appear with the Map Making since is the moment at which they are useful.
• New great wonder “El Consejo de Indias”: Reduces the corruption in the cities of your civilization in the continent that does not have the Palace.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
Spiffor, but they may only enhance it for the people who have PTW

Actually, I don't think so because of this :

Civilization® III: Conquests requires the original Civilization® III product in order to play.

It wouldn't be the first time civ3.com gives misleading information, mind you, but from what I read, it certainly seems that MP will be a built in feature in Conquests. However, it is possible that many typical MP features of PtW won't be in (victory conditions, maybe turnless mode even though I doubt it)

[Dominae]

My prediction: no changes will be made that will either bring back ex-players or alienate current ones. The fans will be happy with the new goodies they get, everyone else will yawn and play something else.

The only reason the above was not true of Play the World is the promise of Multiplayer. This buzzword made Civ3 get a lot of attention. In contrast, Conquests will not promise anything radically new, and so it will not do even remotely as well as Play the World.

Even die-hard Civ3 fans (like me) are going to yawn at the "major additions", since, when you think about it, they're not all the major:

1. New civs (read: UUs): whatever. When it all comes down to it, the new Play the World UUs did not change gameplay much at all. I doubt anyone is afraid of amphibious Berzerk attacks anymore. The same will be true of the Conquests UUs.

2. New diplomatic options: could be interesting, but "whatever" anyway. The only way to make the diplomacy more interesting is to make the AI more interesting, and that's simply not going to happen. The AI will just be coded to use the new options, just like it was coded to use the new tile improvements in Play the World (Outposts, etc.). This will hardly affect gameplay.

3. Scenarios: maybe. They would have to add a whole bunch of tools for scenario-makers in order to create a vibrant scenario community (like in Neverwinter Nights, for example). But I doubt this will happen. The pre-packaged scenarios will probably be neat, but they will hardly be worth any money.

4. New "stuff" (like resources, improvements, etc): big whatever. If this stuff at all resembles what we paid for in Play the World, again we're not going to get our money's worth. The big problem is that not enough of the stuff is added to the Ancient/Medieval ages, so it rarely gets used; Internet, Commercial Docks, Guerilla. The Medieval Infantry is the closest thing to a strategic addition, and it's not much at that. But if they change the early-game too much, Conquests will "change Civ3 too much". So we're not going anything exciting in this department.

5. Disasters: yawn. In MP they will be turned off. In SP, they'll be random, which adds nothing to strategy (although I admit I would enjoy this addition if I were to play with it).


In conclusion: let's not get too excited; this will be more of the same. If you like Civ3, you'll (maybe) buy this. If you get your money's worth or not depends on how much you like Civ3. This is not a very good situation for the Conquests sales department.


Dominae

[Carver]

I almost forgot: we need unit trading and gifting!

Also, something along the lines of a SMAC Pact of Brotherhood to Serve nation X, that the AI would honor. That way you could let nations have some autonomy but still keep them as slaves in terms of foreign policy and war.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Carver
I almost forgot: we need unit trading and gifting!

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one concerned by this feature

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
Here's how I think it'll work

If you have PTW, you can use conquests w/ PTW features

If not, you only get vanilla features and conquest features (you don't get the 8 PTW civs, multiplayet, med. inf, etc)

Or Conquests could include all of the stuff from PTW (except multiplayer) and work only with vanilla civ. What do they care? They figure if you don't have PTW by now you probably won't get it. Thus making PTW redundant for those only interested in single player.

My guess would be that Conquests will require PTW - just to suck every last dime.

[Alex]

Nah, Conquests will require vanilla Civ3 and will include multiplayer support, maybe even with all those things included in PtW (turnless mode, new victory conditions etc.) But I think that Conquests won't have some of PtW additions, like outposts and radar towers and medieval infantry...

The problem is: if Conquests includes the things in PtW, it will be redundant for those who have PtW (8 new civs? ). My bet is that it won't have any of PtW additions, and that they will try, for instance, to include new city improvements that can substitute or have an effect similar to those added in PtW.

[player1]

That would be very bad, since it would enfoce weird Civ3/PtW vs Civ3/Conq vs Civ3/PtW/Conq combos (and playtesting problems).

Having no PtW civs I would understand, but having no additinos added to all civs in PtW would be very bad (even from balancing point).

As far as I remembr, later expansions of HoMM3 has included extra race added in Armageddon Blade XP.

P.S.
Don't rememer any game were unit added in core game by XP, hasn't also be included in later XPs.

[Jog]

this thread is annoyingly massive.

Firaxis says "Diplomacy – Locked alliances allow good vs. evil conflicts you’ll never forget"

what the hell is that supposed to mean? Locked alliances? I'm not sure I like the sound of that.

[player1]

Locked alliances?

It's probably an editor feature.

Needed to make scenarios such as Axis vs Allies.

[statusperfect]

Re: Re: New XP announced

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

who - ah

rumour control was right

this is great news

have a nice day

you hold on any more bits of info?

cheers

[Panag]

Re: Re: Re: New XP announced

Originally posted by statusperfect




you hold on any more bits of info?

cheers

hi ,

what , and get my bottom's kicked if it aint true , .....


actually Mark was the first to speak about it a long time ago , .... people mentioned he was a bit lightheaded , ....

"rumour" control confirmed it , loads of people mentioned it was not true , not even to speak of some very stupid emails , and now this , ....

got this from www.firaxis.com

there are 6 screenshots also


have a nice day


Sid Meier's Civilization® III: Conquests is the 2nd exciting expansion pack to Sid Meier's Civilization® III, the greatest strategy game of all-time!

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GAME FEATURES


New Civilizations: Eight new powerful civilizations from the innovative Sumerians to the mystical Mayans.
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Diplomacy Options: Locked alliances allow good vs. evil conflicts you'll never forget.
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Civilization® III: Conquests requires the original Civilization® III product in order to play.