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  • Originally posted by Arthedain
    @ Cifer: here's the url to the scenarios homepage: http://www.hot.ee/markourm2/ - The Struggle For Europe 2

    Edit: You prolly allready knew about the url. It can't be that hard to update it though, one must just seek Marko's approval (which could be harder) if you want to release it. I'm afraid I don't have time for it now though.
    thx arthedain! but i also googled that url- strange thing but: there also is an (perhaps) older version of this scen which has older graphics but much much more possibilities! In fact I think it is another scen with the same name by the same creator...
    i will give you an description:
    The scenario allows you play as the leader of Axis, Allies, Soviet Union, France, Finland, Sweden, Turkey, Spain, Yugoslavia or Minor Nations (Switzerland, Portugal and Ireland during last half of the scenario). Also multiplayer versions are created. You can start from any point of war from May 1940 to May 1945.

    In order to make managing the scenario (without sounds more than 18MB - scenario has 234 events, 65 rules and 13 units files) as easy as possible for player there is a .BAT file with system of menues which manages everything. There is no need to make any specific subfolders for different versions or backup files. Before starting the scenario or continuing saved game player needs only run Europe.bat file and the program set up right version.

    There are 10 different dates which you can choose as starting time for the game:

    May 1940 – "Battle for France"
    July 1940 – "Battle for England"
    June 1941 – "Operation Barbarossa"
    November 1941 – "Battle of Moscow"
    July 1942 – "Battle of Stalingrad I "
    November 1942 – "Battle of Stalingrad II"
    July 1943 – "Battle of Kursk"
    June 1944 – "Operation Overlord"
    December 1944 – "Battle of Bulge"
    May 1945 – "The End of Axis"

    There is created as realistic as possible war situation in Europe for each starting date in three versions: for playing as Axis (Soviet Union and United Kingdom are overstrenghted), as Allies or Soviets (Axis is overstrenghted) or as minor nation or multiplayer (relative strenghts of nations are more realistic). So there are 30 .SCN files in scenario.
    30 scn files!!!

    The scen which url gave me has moreless nice graphics- this one I speak of is really ugly...

    Here the link: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2scenmod2.shtml
    Deutscher Meister 2004: WERDER BREMEN

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    • I think it's the first version.
      "Peace cannot be kept by force.
      It can only be achieved by understanding"

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      • The Greek army didn't have English helmets idiot.

        We wore Greek steel helmets, their design being copied from the Italians.

        And it would be much more appropriate if the Greek infantry had a coat.

        Climate was harsh in the Albanian mountains you know.
        "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

        All those who want to die, follow me!
        Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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        • Originally posted by Palaiologos
          The Greek army didn't have English helmets idiot.

          We wore Greek steel helmets, their design being copied from the Italians.

          And it would be much more appropriate if the Greek infantry had a coat.

          Climate was harsh in the Albanian mountains you know.
          You're wrong poustes, as usual. I have 2 sources I used, which both corroborate the fact that 2 types of steel helmets were in use by the Greek Army. Quoting from Andrew Mollo's Armed Forces of WW2: ' There were two steel helmets in general use in the Greek Army. The first was the British Mk 1 pattern, which was in the process (in 1941) of being replaced by a Greek model similar to the Italian helmet.' This book contains an illustation of the regular infantry wearing the former, and the Evzones wearing the latter. Coincidentally, the second source 'Army uniforms of WW2' also shows an Evzone wearing the Greek model, although I guess either could be worn.

          I have copied the illustrations from these books fairly closely for the civ units, so the Evzone wears the Italian-type Greek helmet and the regular wears the British Mk 1. As an aside, the illustrations from the first Mollo book are copied from photos of the period, so they are certain to be correct in detail, if not in colour.

          Mollo's book of WW1 uniforms states that the French Adrian helmet was worn, so I guess it's also possible that this was still used as well (?)
          Last edited by fairline; January 19, 2004, 13:44.
          http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.ph...ory:Civ2_Units

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          • And its not nice to call other people idiots, idiot. Especially if the 'idiot' happens to be a genius.

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            • YOu don't call someone an idiot unless it is very clear they are joking, or if they are a bigot.
              Calling all Designers, the SL CivGroup is open for business!

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              • Originally posted by GoPostal
                YOu don't call someone an idiot unless it is very clear they are joking, or if they are a bigot.
                Pericles (Palaiologos) is both

                No need to worry, he's taking the p1ss in his inimitable way. I'll get him back sooner or later
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                • Good golly!

                  I go and do some exams and come back to a drunken Pericles and some very nice fairline units!

                  In Poly, you blink and you'll miss all the action!

                  PS
                  I think Pericles is obviously being humorous, in the style only Mediterraneans can!

                  It's not in his character to hurl real insults.

                  Especially at his scen-making comrade!
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                  • Cool down dudes!
                    Phew!

                    Look I have told you before that Molo is wrong. The Greek army begun using the British helmet AFTER 1944. The Greek soldier of WW2 is the most well known warrior figure in modern Greek history. I have visited war museums, read books magazines etc and the Greek infantry man is always portraid with the Greek italian styled helmet. Moreover the "italian" helmet entered service in 1939 not 1941.
                    The adrian helmets were only used by artillery units at the time of ww2.

                    Here, from the official Greek army site:


                    Third from the left is an infantry sergeant in full campaign uniform. Notice he wears a coat.

                    The dudes on the right corner wear the Mk1 helmet indeed but they are from the sacred band unit that fought in Africa, trained and armed by the Brits of course.
                    "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                    All those who want to die, follow me!
                    Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                    • BTW clicking on the pictures will enlarge them.
                      "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                      All those who want to die, follow me!
                      Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                      • I prefer to rely on books rather than websites, P.

                        A 3rd source (Military Uniforms in Colour - Preben Kannik) states: 'Shortly before the start of the war, steel helmets of Greek type (in fact they were Italian helmet shells supplied in the 30's and fitted with Greek liners) replaced the British design hitherto worn.' As I said above, the illustrations in the Mollo books are effectively colourised period photos, which show a Greek regular infantryman in pre-1941 service dress with a British Mk1 steel helmet. What are the sources for the Greek army websight?

                        Of course the Greek Brigade in N. Africa who fought at Alamein wore British helmets - they were entirely equiped by the British!
                        http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.ph...ory:Civ2_Units

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                        • Question from another idiot. What do I need to install so that my browser will show Greek letters? The MS Greek Menus and Dialogs Update I just installed didn't help a bit.
                          El Aurens v2 Beta!

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                          • Fairline i think that the official Greek army website is far more reliant than any British history book.
                            And in any case Kannik says that Greek helmets replaced the British ones BEFORE the outbreak of the war. And unless mistaken your gfxs are titled "minor nations WW2 infantry", yes?

                            Look, any WW2 picture showing Greek infantry men has them wearing Greek helmets.

                            P.S the Greek War museum also depicts Greek soldiers with the classic Greek helmet.
                            "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                            All those who want to die, follow me!
                            Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                            • The only way to solve this is a panzer duel at dawn!

                              I'll be the referee!
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                              • Another compilation by me. Here you have 1936 - present day infantry which I consider cool.
                                Hope you'll like it. There are a lot of unit graphics here taken from various sources and I'm sorry to say that I may have missed some signatures. If some artists name is missing from the file, just tell me about it and I'll imidieatly take that unit down, or add the signature.

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