A study of Hut Outcomes

[Scouse Gits]

I have seen it (never at raging), but don't recall ever playing at huts only - so I doubt your conclusion York

Stu

[Bloody Monk]

I believe the abandoned village response fills the barb outcome slot when you have chosen to play at no barbs level. Since we all have played raging hoards level for so many years, this kind of question is like a trivia stumper.

Sadly, the RtFM response fails here as the manual is silent on this one (one??) topic.

Monk

[duke o' york]

But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

[edit]OK, I was just being pedantic about the wording - you can't play ordinary Civ 2 without the barbs. Thanks to everyone below who noticed this, agreed with me, and special bonus points to BM, for pointing out the +1 aspect, although he didn't rush to mention all the other +1ers (see below for details) [/edit]

[Theben]

Never seen at raging or restless (or wrath). Never played at less. I always thought it was a scenario-only option.

[Theben]

Originally posted by duke o' york
But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

I think that's what he was referring to.

[Grigor]

It does occur at restless tribes also. Those of us who also play at CFC see it occasionally.

A first hypothesis would be that there is a percentage of weeds from 0 (raging) to 100 (no barbs) which occurs in the slot reserved for barbarians.

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by duke o' york
But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

Hut-only means no barbs; but you knew that. Since the sentence was about barbs and hut outcomes....

But you knew that too. Nice +1 though.

Monk

[Elephant]

(always fun to stir up the RCCers...)

I bring it up because I got one recently: GOTM 36 at CFC, settings Diety difficulty, Restless Barbs. Don't recall the exact year, but it sent me back to Samson's thread to see if he had a probability.

My gut feeling is that it is related to the Barb level, with very low chance at Raging (perhaps 0?), increasing chance as Barb level is lowered. Don't have enough data to speculate on difficulty level. Anyone want to test that out?

[rah]

Perhaps 0

Definately 0 at Raging. No one has ever gotten one in a RAH rules game. (of course they're all played at deity too) There have been over 1000 RAH rules games.

[Elephant]

And you remember them all? Guess you are not as old as you make out...

Seriously, though, that was my suspicion but I have learned the wisdom of not making definitive pronouncements without overwhelming data. Sounds like you have it.

[rjmatsleepers]

I thought I'd seen it at Deity - but that was long ago and in another country so perhaps my memory is failing.

RJM at Sleeper's

[rah]

Originally posted by Elephant
And you remember them all? Guess you are not as old as you make out...

Naw, still old. For me, getting an empty village is just a reminder that I agreed to play in a game at less than raging. Always annoying.

[Ljube]

I once got a series of empty huts. Five or six of them in a row. I was soooo pissed!

The level was definitely deity, though I can't remember if it was restless or raging, cause I was playing restless with my friends before we switched to raging a couple of months ago.


And in HOTW4 I got a couple of empty huts, but the barbarian level was villages only, contrary to my suggestions (barbarian wrath). Deity hates barbs so we had to reduce their aggressiveness level for him.

[Sava]

wow, that's an excellent analysis

[DrSpike]

The standard response was always difficulty level doesn't matter, just the barb level. It definitely does not appear on Deity/raging as many have said.

The rest may be an ever repeated belief with no testing, but wasn't there somethine in (William?) Keegan's barb paper on this?