A study of Hut Outcomes

[SlowThinker]

Re: To steal Advances with brain!

Is it possible to steal an advance although the thief doesn't have both prereqs?

[SlowThinker]

more that 100 techs

Originally posted by samson
Well, I was this time. I tried adding extra techs to the 2.42 Rules.text to see if it changed the chances of Alphabet and it didn't.
Apparently, the denominator is hard-wired at 93 for Civ2.42 and CIC and at 100 for FW and MGE.

Does it mean that there may be more than 100 techs in the game, but they cannot go out from huts?

[samson]

Re: more that 100 techs

Originally posted by SlowThinker

Does it mean that there may be more than 100 techs in the game, but they cannot go out from huts?

No.
It means that someone would have to find and modify the hard-wired number of '100' techs in the CIV2.EXE file if they wanted more than 100 techs.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Re: Re: To steal Advances with brain!

Originally posted by SlowThinker
Is it possible to steal an advance although the thief doesn't have both prereqs?

I think so. Space Flight/Plastics/SuperConductor get stolen by the AI in a lot of my games, sans prereqs.

I probably have stolen techs I didn't have the prereqs for, but I have no specific saves to reference.

[SlowThinker]

Sorry, I didn't notice that 6000 answered too. My post was for samson:

Originally posted by samson
No.
It means that someone would have to find and modify the hard-wired number of '100' techs in the CIV2.EXE file if they wanted more than 100 techs.

But the sum of odds of all techs must be 1 (=100/100): so how are odds if you have more than 100 (resp. 93)techs?

[samson]

You would have to change both the hard-wired denominator (93 or 100) and the number of techs listed in Rules.txt to the same new number.

[SlowThinker]

more than 100 techs

samson,
I thought Civ2 worked with more than 100 techs in your test... Were added techs inaccessible or did Civ2 crash?

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[Scouse Gits]

Re: Re: To steal Advances with brain!

Originally posted by SlowThinker
Is it possible to steal an advance although the thief doesn't have both prereqs?

Yes - this is definitely possible - in games such as OCC there is little point in researching the long slog of techs upto Tactics and Leadership - let the AI do the work and then swap for one of the end techs...

SG[1]

[Elephant]

Wish it was so; I always leave that till I need Tools, but usually only get Chivalry...

But yes, both stealing and trading techs do not require pre-reqs. Only researching. And if you have a tech without its prereq (like Construction without Masonry) you can research its follow-on (Sanitation). Tech-skipping is how OCC should be done, which is what makes MarcoPolo so valuable early on. And how the AI tries to get back in the game after you build Apollo...

[Elephant]

Samson: don't see anything about this one:

"Weeds grow in empty ruins. This village has long
been abandoned."

Is there a decreasing likelyhood of this based on difficulty level, with elimination at Deity?

[rah]

Or is it based on barb level?

I'm used to playing raging, deity, so I never see abandoned anyway.

[SlowThinker]

It may be in place of barbs if they are forbidden.

[Old n Slow]

Originally posted by Elephant
...
"Weeds grow in empty ruins. This village has long
been abandoned."...

I ONLY see this with levels less than raging (even at Prince level) -- so I think that Barb level may be the only variable.

[duke o' york]

It only occurs on the hut-only barb level. I haven't tested this per se, but many years of playing have led me to this conclusion.
If anyone's had it on a higher barb level then I'm interested to hear about it.

[rah]

Never seen one at raging.