Looking for some help on a Discworld scenario...

[St Leo]

I've decided that this is the perfect time to begin abusing my privileges:

http://sleague.apolyton.net/personal...cworldmaps.zip

As is noted in the readme, I recommend using the 32x65 map as the basis for the scenario. After all, this is not Tolkien and there are no 200 campfire descriptions between points of interest.

BTW, we could also cut off the North (Uberwald and M-something) off the large map (leave AM, Klatch, and Omnia) and use that.


Hey, Discworld! Fantastic. Don't forget to add Cohan the Barbarian and his silver horde (a band of geriatric heroes) as units.

Cohen will probably get in, but we'll (they'll?) probably focus on the City Watch character set.

I always thought about a DW scenario set in Ankh-Morpork with the guilds (wizards,assasins etc) battling each other for supremacy of the city (kinda like Roman riots.)

Go, Seamstresses, go!

[St Leo]

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"Thank you, floor, for not collapsing under the weight of my genius." - Gimpy, Undergrads

[Cyrion]

About the map...

Nice (and fast!) work St-Leo

Just a remark before I take a real look at your map: I would leave the northern part of the map in: Uberwald, Lancre and the Wyrmberg would give SOOO MANY interesting opportunities!!

[Lucius]

If you need a name and context for the Appollo wonder, how about The Kite (from the Last Hero, the craft that circled the disc?)

I love both idea of the A M Dollar as a defense, and the Merchants. Give the Merchants the higher defense, so they get killed first, and the attackers lose their own money before they attack the dollars.

Also, have you considered using the barbarians for the Things from Beyond?

If you make them an "Exotic" civilization you might well make their city "The Lost City of Ee." Why not? Consider putting it beyond the circumference of the disc.

What time range are you looking at using? The face of the disc has changed over time no doubt.

What place are you planning for nonhumans? The Trolls, Dwarves, etc? Can some be their own civilization?

Possibilities Mr. Pratchett hasn't tackled yet could be open. There is no reason Leonard of Quirm or a later genius could not invent the railroad, or equivalent.

Lucius Alexander

Palindromedary Enterprises

[Xuenay]

Probably won't be using Apollo, but thanks for the suggestion (unless we remove the SS improvements from play and reduce the cost for building Apollo/the Kite, so that it only reveals the map... hmm...)

We thought about using barbarians as the Dungeon Dimensions, but at the moment seems like we're going to have them as the main threat in the scenario, so barbarians don't quite fit that role.

I won't comment about the Lost City of Ee, since I haven't read the relevant book.

As for the time range, it'd probably start somewhere near the first novels, and then proceed through time as the civs work their way up the tech three.

Some of the civs will be able to produce nonhuman units, and they'll be often mentioned in the events/Discopedia entries, but probably not more than that. Giving some their own civ is a possibility, but seven civ slots really isn't a lot - they'll get one if we'll have any surplus ones (which I doubt).

We'll see about the "future tech". They'll probably have the same role as the non-human civs, that is, they'll be included if there are any extra tech slots to spare.

[Cyrion]

About the civs

Ok, so it seems we will be using the biggest map describing the region around the Circle Sea!!

So the nations would be (though some changes are still possible!! )

1. Ankh-Morpork
2. Klatch
3. Omnia
4. Uberwald
5. Lancre

and the 2 AI civs: Neutral and Dungeon Dimensions

[Cyrion]

Time to make some lists...

And now for something completely different...


Ok, now it's time to think about the various techs, so first we should try to make a list of the "Discworld" techs and what they would bring as:
- units
- improvements
- wonders
- new techs

For instance, "Golem making" could allow to build a "Golem factory" improvement that would work as a factory, and be a prerequisite for "Golem Freedom" which would allow to build "Golems" units!!

And "Pigeon Messages" could be a prerequisite for the "Klaks communication"...

Any ideas welcome!!

When we have enough, we can make a list and discuss it!!

And a second list which would be useful is one about the various cities/villages of the Discworld (as well as their location...)



So let's start writing, and I'll compile the results !!

[Xuenay]

I'm a little unsure of including Lancre, considering its tiny size. A few excerpts from GURPS Discworld:

A kingdom on the Sto Plains side of the Ramtops, total population (humans, dwarfs, and trolls) about 500. This is admittedly small, even for a fantasy kingdom...

...most human Lancrastians live in Lancre Town. "Town" is an extravagant name for it, but it is the biggest habitation, which gives it some of the privileges of a city, such as City Proclamations.

I'm not sure, but wouldn't there some larger civs around the Circle Sea that'd have a bigger right for that civ slot? Lancre could then be merged with one of the bigger ones.

[Case]

IMO, Lancre would be best implimented as one of the 'Neutral' cities (pehaps with some unique units in it). Really, as Xuenay pointed out, it's too small to compete with the other civs.

[St Leo]

Suggestions? The relevant choices are probably in Jingo and Small Gods.

[Cyrion]

OK guys, I finished going through all the books looking for ideas (well, not all, but still over 20 of them...) and I'll probably post/mail something about it tonight!!

And we still need to find the 5th playable civ: Lancre would be too small, I agree, but if we choose Ephebe or Tsort it would be quite crowded down there, leaving to much room to develop for the northern civs!! Except if we prohibit settlers unit and give strong defense to neutrals??

[St Leo]

Yeah, you'd have to prohibit settler units if you use the large map.

[Cyrion]

Concrete proposals...

Ok, let's get a bit more concrete!! So this is what I propose:

we will choose the 5th playable civ later, between the following ones:

1. Ramtop Nations : including Lancre
2. Ephebe
3. Tsort
4. Djelibeiby
5. Combination of 2,3,4
6. something else...

To avoid problems with the fact that some would have more room to expand than others, NO settler units (or only created by events, to limit how many every country would get).

I would like every nation to have the same number of available units, a few from the start, a few to be researched and a few given by events. As many as possible of this units being civ-specific!!

oh, and why not make the Capitals nearly impregnable??


And here is what I have for the units (Initial means "not buildable but existing at the beginning!):

1. Ankh-Morpork

Initial defensive units: Merchants and A-M $, as described by Xuenay

First Unit: City Watch Constable

Defensive Unit: City Watch Officer (by tech)

Offensive Units: Wizards (by tech)

Diplo Units: Assassin

Flying Unit : Flying Wizard (by tech)

Special Unit: Rincewind

Total : 8


2. Klatch

Initial defensive units: Desert Wastes (??), unbuildable

First Units: Camel Riders ("Towel-Heads")

Defensive Units: Foreign Legion (by tech)

Offensive Units: D'regs (by tech)

Diplo Units: Assassin

Flying Unit : Magic Carpet (by tech)

Special Unit: none ?? (or Ahmed ??)

Total : 6 (7??)


3. Omnia

Initial defensive units: The Citadel

First Units: Divine Legion, evolutive

Defensive Units: Divine Legion II ?? (by tech)

Offensive Units: Moving Turtle (by tech)

Diplo Units: Exquisitor

Flying Unit : none ??

Special Unit: ?? Vorbis ??

Total : 6


4. Uberwlad

Initial defensive units: Dwarven Stronghold ?? (or none ??)

First Units: Dwarves

Defensive Units: Trolls (by tech)

Offensive Units: Werewolves (by tech)

Diplo Units: none ?? (or Igors ??)

Flying Unit : Vampires

Special Unit: Lady Margolotta ??

Total : 6 (or 7 ??)


5. Example of 5th Civ: Ramtop Kingdoms

Initial defensive units: none ??

First Units: Ogg Family

Defensive Units: Trolls (by tech)

Offensive Units: Nac mac Feegle (by tech)

Diplo Units: Witch

Flying Unit : Flying Witch

Special Unit: Granny Weatherwax

Total : 6



And then:

Common units

Ship 1, Ship 2 (by tech!!)

Trade unit (by tech)

Which would make a total of 35 units, leaving 27 for the 2 AI CIVs + the "event units" (and believe me, I already got nearly enough ideas to use a lot of those slots... )




So, what do you think about that ??

[Cyrion]

Miscellaneous...

And just to prove I have been working quite hard on it , a few things I found in the books...

Units Events (I mean units that appear via events and that give you something if you destroy them! cf Jules Verne scen...)

Temple of Bel-Shamharoth
Wyrmberg
Pyramids
Great Pyramid of Tsort
Tezuman Temple
Department Store (from Soul Music) (and Small Globes and Wire Trolleys??)
Holy Wood
Leshp


Cities (neutral or others, everything related to them!)

Ephebe: Labyrinth (very strong defensive unit!!), Philosophers (Copernic's Wonder??)

Al-Khali: capital of Klatch

Gebra: mighty fortress in Klatch

Copperhead and Schmalzberg: in Uberwald


Units (neutral or others, everything related to them!)

Barbarian Heroes
Gods
Death
4 Horsemen
Dragons (Wyrmberg)
Mummies (Djelibeiby)
Wooden horse (Tsort and Ephebe)
Demons
Auditors
Phoenix

+ DD units!!
+ units for Neutral: Hubland Barbarians, Great Nef Nomads, etc...


Techs

Iconograph
Octo-Cellulose
Steam (for Steam Boat and Moving Turtle)
The Gonne
Music with Rocks in (for an Happy Improvement) and Free Festival Wonder (Shakespear??)
Golem use (for a kind of factory)
Forensic Dep.
Dis-Organizer
something for The Boat (Submarine)
Carrier-pigeon Network (pre-req for next one)
Semaphore Shutters (pre-req for next one)
Clacks Towers (allows improvement, but what??)
Rubber vats
Printing Press


That's all Folks...

[Case]

Cyrion, what does your sig translate as?