Age Of War PBEM Game

[Choke]

Jugoslavija supports that addition as well.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Darius871
As said in private correspondence, the CEU supports the creation of such a council, although Europe should come to a consensus on just what authority it should have.

Before agreeing to anything, Russia must first see what authority the council would be given.

It's our position that all votes on diplomatic matters should only need a 51% majority.

of course you would, the Democratic Alliance holds more than 50% of the votes in council

However, the powers allotted to the council must be agreed to by a 100% consensus upon its creation, and written down in a formal constitution.

Russia remains supsicous of any format which would give either Alliance power over the rest of Europe.

[SunTzu]

I think a European Council is a good idea, but to pass anything you need 2/3rds of the vote.
That is the stance of Turkey

[Choke]

Jugoslavija proposes that each major power gets 2 votes and each remaining country 1 vote, so the voting structure would be this:

Germany: 2
Britain: 2
Russia: 2
Italy: 1
Turkey: 1
Jugoslavija: 1
Spain: 1

[SunTzu]

Turkey backs the new jugoslav plan

[Henrik]

I must say I prefer the old plan better (with the 2/3s majority), but I am willing to agree with the 2&1 vote system as well if it can get both Russia and Germany's acceptance.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Henrik
if it can get both Russia and Germany's acceptance.

Of course it won't; Germany already compromised with having one vote per city, as an agrarian village in Turkey or Russia would have as much influence as Paris or Berlin. The CEU will not be limited even further.

[Choke]

Darius, this doesn't limit you further. It give you the same power as Britain and Russia...quit whining.

[Henrik]

This is what Italy suggests:

Germany: 65
Brittain: 49
Russia: 42
Turkey: 35
Italy: 30
Jugoslavia: 18
Spain: 15

Atleast 2/3s majority would be needed for some major decisions.
Concensus needed when amending the authority of the council.

What makes you think the democratic alliance will allways vote as a block (which btw of late hasn't seemed that solid, as I recall Jmarks was in the proces of disolving it or rather reshape it into something else)?
And if they do so, that will be enough to overrule Russia alone, but they still won't be able to pull anything dangerous or dammaging off as that most likely wouldn't be appreciated by the other voters (ie. the med. nations) and 2/3s majority wouldn't be achieved.

Propositions from the league to the would be council from us med. countries involve:

• "The be or be not of tariffs"
• "Defence measures about railroads, these have proved devestating to a country's defences should we reach an agreement to abolish them? (if so the rules could be amended to make normal roads slightly bettter)"
• "The possibility of european tech trading deals."
• "The granting of the ability to invoke sanctions on warring european nations by the council."

I am sure you guys can think of a lot more things

[SunTzu]

I like the original plan best, but not with the 51% majority, but with 2/3rds, i could compromise with 60% of votes to pass something

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Choke
Darius, this doesn't limit you further. It give you the same power as Britain and Russia...

So what? No offense to Spain or Turkey, but one of them should not have precisely half the voting power of the CEU. It's not representative. Giving a 3-citizen city as much power as a 18-citizen city already limits German and British influence, but I was willing to compromise on that. Your proposal is going too far.

The only thing close that Germany would accept would be a bicameral council similar to the congress of the United States, where there would be a house based on population (loosely defined by number of cities), and one house where each nation either has 1 or 2 votes. Would you be willing to settle for a bicameral system?

Originally posted by Choke
quit whining.

Way to go there Talleyrand, that'll change my mind.

[Choke]

A bicameral system is fine with me.

[H Tower]

woah, I didn't know how much trouble I would stir up by being cautious of the straight city votes. Although I am close to backing down on that, diplomatic contact by courrier with other nations during the worldwide electrical blackout has reduced much of Russia's fears. I'm sure a compromise much closer to the original could be achieved

[Henrik]

Ok then after talking to both Germany and Russia again this is what I suggest:

One vote per city.
(The list of who gets how many votes is on the previous page)
2/3s majority will be required.
A set amount of discussion will take place after a proposition has been laid before the vote (my suggestion is that everyone gets to post their view and the originator of the proposition gets to coment and then the vote is held. Either that or we simply say 3 days or something like that).

Is this acceptable to Russia and Germany? (where's brittain? )

[H Tower]

fine by me