The Distant Rumblings of War!

[curtsibling]

Thanks!

I won't need info on too many cities, mostly the major European centers.
The data on various Soviet cities may involve guesswork too...But again I only need the major areas.

I'll get back to you soon with a list of cities...You have my gratitude!

[Blue Lion]

May be the easiest way could be, to simply copy the list of the City-Editor of your scenario in your next post.

Than I copy that list to a word document, note the population numbers behind these cities and than copy the content of that word document in my next post in this thread

... and voila, you have the list with the city populations.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
May be the easiest way could be, to simply copy the list of the City-Editor of your scenario in your next post.

Than I copy that list to a word document, note the population numbers behind these cities and than copy the content of that word document in my next post in this thread

... and voila, you have the list with the city populations.

No problem, Blue Lion! Here is my list...
I only need the most major population centers -
Any city that is too obscure can be guessed at!


GERMANY
=============
Alborg
Amsterdam
Athens
Bayonne
Belgrade
Bergen
Berlin
Bordeaux
Bratislavia
Bremen
Brest
Brussels
Budapest
Cologne
Copenhagen
Danzig
Debrecen
Frankfurt
Hamburg
Hannover
Iraklion
Kavala
Kiel
Koszalin
Krakow
Kristiansand
Le Harve
Leipzig
Lille
Lubeck
Luxembourg
Munich
Nantes
Narvik
Orleans
Oslo
Paris
Poznan
Prague
Rennes
Rostock
Salzburg
Sofia
Strasbourg
Stuttgart
Thessaloniki
Tours
Tripoli
Tromso
Trondheim
Vienna
Wroclaw


ITALY
=============
Ancona
Benghazi
Bologna
Buerat
Cagliari
Dubrovnik
El Agheila
Florence
Homs
Kerkira
Ljubljana
Lyon
Marseille
Messina
Milan
Naples
Nice
Palermo
Patrai
Rome
Skopje
Sousse
Split
Taranto
Tirana
Trento
Trieste
Tunis
Turin
Venice
Zagreb


FINLAND
=============
Helsinki
Joensuu
Kemi
Kuopio
Lahti
Mikkeli
Oulu
Pori
Rovaniemi
Tampere
Turku
Vassa


ROMANIA
=============
Braila
Brasov
Bucharest
Constanta
Giurgiu
Sulina
Timisoara
Turnu Severin


FRANCE
=============
Algiers
Casablanca
Limoges
Montpellier
Oran
Perpignan
Philippeville
Tangier
Toulouse


ALLIED
=============
Al Aqaba
Al Basrah
Aleppo
Alexandria
Amman
Baghdad
Beirut
Belfast
Birmingham
Boston
Bristol
Cairo
Carlisle
Damascus
Dundee
El Alamein
Fredericton
Gazala
Gibraltar
Glasgow
Grimsby
Halifax
Hurghada
Jerusalem
Kirkuk
Kuwait
Lisbon
Liverpool
London
Montreal
Mosul
New York
Newcastle
Norfolk
Plymouth
Port Said
Quebec
Rasht
Reykjavik
Saint John's
Sheffield
Southampton
Tabriz
Tehran
Tobruk
Trenton
Valletta
Washington


RUSSIA
=============
Arkhangelsk
Astrakhan
Baku
Bas Kunchak
Batum
Belomorsk
Brest-Litovsk
Chernigev
Chernovtsy
Daugavpils
Dnepropetrovsk
Gomel
Gorky
Grodno
Gur'yev
Ivanovo
Kalach
Kamenskaya
Kazan
Kerch
Kharkov
Kherson
Kiev
Kirov
Kishinev
Krasnodar
Krasnovodsk
Kursk
L'vov
Leningrad
Liepaja
Maikop
Mezen
Minsk
Moscow
Murmansk
Narva
Nikolayev
Novgorod
Odessa
Orel
Orenburg
Penza
Perekop
Perm
Petrozavodsk
Pskov
Riga
Roslavl
Rostov
Rovno
Rzhev
Samara
Saratov
Sevastopol
Smolensk
Stalingrad
Tallinn
Tiflis
Tikhvin
Viipuri
Vilnius
Voronezh
Voroshilovgrad


Many thanks in advance!

[Blue Lion]

I have copied the list and beside some typos (p.e. Le Havre) a German city would never be named Wroclaw.
Breslau at that time was one of the biggest German cities. At present I don´t know the English name for Breslau. But the Polish name Wroclaw is defenitely wrong as that city became Polish after WW2.

But I can identify most of the cities on your list and now please be patient until you get a first list with population numbers of that time (mostly based on the sources in the link I gave you and sometimes based on a German book "Lexikon des Zweiten Weltkriegs" by Christian Zentner, which also contains a lot of information about city sizes of that time).

[curtsibling]

No sweat - !
The city list I used is a mere prototype...

Any cities that can be replaced with their WW2-correct name,
then feel free to change at will - But I would like to stick with
a consistent, Anglified map naming convention...Where possible.

This will be of massive help, and no rush, as I am doing events
for the first seven turns (that will be the playtest) so I will
be fully busy and can change cities whenever you are ready.

PS
I appreciate your help greatly!

Cheers!

[Blue Lion]

Of course no hurry. That´s why here are only the numbers for the Russian cities (in thousands) and in brackets the year of these dates:

RUSSIA
=============
Arkhangelsk 251 ; (39)
Astrakhan 253,7 : (39)
Baku 810 ; (39)
Bas Kunchak => do you mean a salt lake in the region of Astrakhan?
Batum 33,2 ; (39)
Belomorsk 18,9 ; (2002 !)
Brest-Litovsk 41 ; (39)
Chernigev 67,4 ; (39)
Chernovtsy 109,7 ; (39)
Daugavpils 51,7 ; (39)
Dnepropetrovsk 500 ; (36)
Gomel 145 ; (40)
Gorky 650 ; (40)
Grodno 49,9 ; (39)
Gur'yev 41,4 ; (39)
Ivanovo 285,1 ; (39)
Kalach 26 ; (2002!)
Kamenskaya 43 ; (39)
Kazan 401,7 ; (39)
Kerch 104 ; (39)
Kharkov 850 ; (40)
Kherson 97,2; (39)
Kiev 845 ; (39)
Kirov 143,2 ; (39)
Kishinev 112,5 ; (39)
Krasnodar 203,9 ; (39)
Krasnovodsk 21 ; (39)
Kursk 120 ; (40)
L'vov 315 ; (39)
Leningrad 3.200
Liepaja 53,2 ; (39)
Maikop 67,3 (39)
Mezen 3,8 (2002) => forget it ?
Minsk 240 ; (40)
Moscow 4.200; (40)
Murmansk 117 ; (40)
Narva 20 ; (39)
Nikolayev 167,1 ; (39)
Novgorod 38 ; (40)
Odessa 600 ; (39)
Orel 111 ; (40)
Orenburg 172,9 ; (39) => from 38-57: Chkalov
Penza 157,1 ; (39)
Perekop: completely destroyed in the Russian Civil war; In the 30´s
rebuild as Krasnoperekopsk ?
Perm 255,2 ; (39)
Petrozavodsk 70 ; (40)
Pskov 59,9 ; (39)
Riga 400 ; (40)
Roslavl 41 ; (39)
Rostov 510 ; (39)
Rovno 43 ; (39)
Rzhev 60 ; (41)
Samara 390,3 ; (39) => from 35-91: Kujby´sev
Saratov 375,7 ; (39)
Sevastopol 110 ; (39)
Smolensk 160 ; (39)
Stalingrad 445 ; (39)
Tallinn 147 ; (40)
Tiflis 196,9 ; (39)
Tikhvin 11,5 ; (26) ; 26 in (67)
Viipuri 74,2 ; (39)
Vilnius 209 ; (39)
Voronezh 327 ; (40)
Voroshilovgrad 213 ; (39)

[Blue Lion]

Here are the German and French City numbers from your list. I still had most of these cities on my list.

GERMANY
=============
Alborg 55,7 ; (41)
Amsterdam 760 ; (40)
Athens 425 ; (40)
Bayonne 28 ; (36)
Belgrade 410 ; (40)
Bergen 105 ; (36)
Berlin 4.340 ; (39)
Bordeaux 260 ; (40)
Bratislavia 138,5 ; (39)
Bremen 425 ; (40)
Brest 79 ; (39)
Brussels 220 ; (39)
Budapest 1.120 ; (41)
Cologne 770 ; (40)
Copenhagen 890,1 ; (41)
Danzig 260 ; (39)
Debrecen 125,9 ; (41)
Frankfurt /M. 553,5 ; (39)
Hamburg 1.700 ; (40)
Hannover 471 ; (40)
Iraklion 44,7 ; (40) => agglomeration
Kavala 49,7 ; (40)
Kiel 273 ; (40)
Koszalin 33,4 ; (38)
Krakow 259 ; (38)
Kristiansand 18,8 ; (36)
Le Havre 164,1 ; (40)
Leipzig 707,4 ; (39)
Lille 200,8 ; (36)
Lubeck 155 ; (40)
Luxembourg 303 (aggl.)
Munich 830 ; (40)
Nantes 190,5 ; (36)
Narvik 10 ; (40)
Orleans 70,8 ; (36)
Oslo 250 ; (40)
Paris 2.900; (40) => only the city
Poznan 272 ; (38)
Prague 1.ooo ; (39)
Rennes 98,5 ; (36)
Rostock 121,2 ; (39)
Salzburg 77,5 ; (39)
Sofia 401 ; (40)
Strasbourg 191 ; (41)
Stuttgart 450 ; (40)
Thessaloniki 278,1 ; (40) => agglomeration
Tours 83,8 ; (36)
Tripoli 108 ; (40)
Tromso 10,3 ; (36)
Trondheim 54,5 ; (36)
Vienna 1.920 ; (39)
(Wroclaw) = Breslau 629,6 ; (39)


FRANCE
=============
Algiers 264 ; (40)
Casablanca 260 ; (40)
Limoges 95,2 ; (36)
Montpellier 85,1 ; (36)
Oran 170 ; (40)
Perpignan 64,1 ; (36)
Philippeville 64,9 ; (36)
Tangier (from 1940 -45 only under Spanish governement!)
80,9 ; (40) ; 102,3 agglomeration (40)
Toulouse 213,2 ; (36)

[curtsibling]

Excellent work, Blue Lion!
I will add this data right now...!

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
Bas Kunchak = Do you mean a salt lake in the region of Astrakhan?

Yep!

That's the place!

PS
These figures are great, a whole new level of realism for my scenario!

[curtsibling]

All cities (in your lists) are now sized to the nearest level CIV2 allows.

The city spread is looking very good...Quite random and cool!
Eagerly awaiting the next batch of figures...

I also edited the food box rows so to not make city growth accelerate too fast.

There are event-created settlers in the scenario, that can be used to replace any lost populations.

[EZRhino]

Sweet screen shots curt. Cool to see a Do 335

[curtsibling]

Cheers, EZRhino!

Wait till you see the Ho-229 and Ar-555!

1946 will be a tough year -

[Blue Lion]

Bas Kunchak: The salt lake has not much living human inhabitants.

Here are the Allied states. Some numbers for me were shocking when I did note them the first time (especially
Aman and Tobruk) but these are no typhos. Rasht as Allied city, so it was occupied by Russia during WW 2, is also an interesting story.

ALLIED
=============

Al Aqaba 8,9 ; (61!)
Al Basrah 50 ; (35)
Aleppo 177,3 ; (35) / aggl. 262,7 ; (35)
Alexandria 612 ; (40)
Amman 12; (40) no typo!
Baghdad 287; (35) / aggl. 400 ; (35)
Beirut 153 ; (40)
Belfast 438,1 ; (38)
Birmingham 1.000 , (39)
Boston 770,8 ; (40)
Bristol 415 ; (39)
Cairo 1.307,4 ; (37)
Carlisle 60,2 ; (38)
Damascus 193,9 ; (35) / aggl. 250 ; (35)
Dundee 179 ; (38)
El Alamein 5,7 (96!) ; some houses (41)
Fredericton 10,1 ; (41)
Gazala some houses (41)
Gibraltar 19,3 ; (39)
Glasgow 1.131,8 ; (38)
Grimsby 92,3 ; (38)
Halifax 70,5 ; (41)
Hurghada 22,8 ; (86!)
Jerusalem 129,8 ; (39)
Kirkuk 30 ; (35)
Kuwait 40 ; (31) / aggl. 120 (55)
Lisbon 709,2 ; (40) => Portugal was neutral in WW2
Liverpool 827,4 ; (38)
London 4.062,8 ; (38) / Greater London: 8.700 ; (40)
Montreal 903 ; (41)
Mosul 60 ; (35)
New York 7.455 ; (40)
Newcastle 291,3 ; (38)
Norfolk 144,3 ; (40)
Plymouth 211,8 ; (38)
Port Said 125,9 ; (37)
Quebec 135 ; (40)
Rasht 121,6 ; (40) => occupied by Russia from 25.8.41-46
Reykjavik 38,2 ; (40)
Saint John's 41,5 ; (41)
Sheffield 520 ; (38)
Southampton 180,1 ; (38)
Tabriz 213,5 ; (40)
Tehran 530 ; (39)
Tobruk 2,5 ; (38) no typho !
Trenton 8,3 ; (41)
Valletta 24,4 ; (37) / aggl. 63,7 , (37) / Malta total: 279; (39)
Washington D.C. 663,1 ; (40)

[yaroslav]

I can´t wait to play this... I am so eager, I look like a groupie of this scenario

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
Bas Kunchak: The salt lake has not much living human inhabitants.

Here are the Allied states. Some numbers for me were shocking when I did note them the first time (especially
Aman and Tobruk) but these are no typhos. Rasht as Allied city, so it was occupied by Russia during WW 2, is also an interesting story.

ALLIED
=============

Al Aqaba 8,9 ; (61!)
Al Basrah 50 ; (35)
Aleppo 177,3 ; (35) / aggl. 262,7 ; (35)
Alexandria 612 ; (40)
Amman 12; (40) no typo!
Baghdad 287; (35) / aggl. 400 ; (35)
Beirut 153 ; (40)
Belfast 438,1 ; (38)
Birmingham 1.000 , (39)
Boston 770,8 ; (40)
Bristol 415 ; (39)
Cairo 1.307,4 ; (37)
Carlisle 60,2 ; (38)
Damascus 193,9 ; (35) / aggl. 250 ; (35)
Dundee 179 ; (38)
El Alamein 5,7 (96!) ; some houses (41)
Fredericton 10,1 ; (41)
Gazala some houses (41)
Gibraltar 19,3 ; (39)
Glasgow 1.131,8 ; (38)
Grimsby 92,3 ; (38)
Halifax 70,5 ; (41)
Hurghada 22,8 ; (86!)
Jerusalem 129,8 ; (39)
Kirkuk 30 ; (35)
Kuwait 40 ; (31) / aggl. 120 (55)
Lisbon 709,2 ; (40) => Portugal was neutral in WW2
Liverpool 827,4 ; (38)
London 4.062,8 ; (38) / Greater London: 8.700 ; (40)
Montreal 903 ; (41)
Mosul 60 ; (35)
New York 7.455 ; (40)
Newcastle 291,3 ; (38)
Norfolk 144,3 ; (40)
Plymouth 211,8 ; (38)
Port Said 125,9 ; (37)
Quebec 135 ; (40)
Rasht 121,6 ; (40) => occupied by Russia from 25.8.41-46
Reykjavik 38,2 ; (40)
Saint John's 41,5 ; (41)
Sheffield 520 ; (38)
Southampton 180,1 ; (38)
Tabriz 213,5 ; (40)
Tehran 530 ; (39)
Tobruk 2,5 ; (38) no typho !
Trenton 8,3 ; (41)
Valletta 24,4 ; (37) / aggl. 63,7 , (37) / Malta total: 279; (39)
Washington D.C. 663,1 ; (40)

Good work, Blue Lion! I will add this data tonight...

PS
Some of the tiny cities are included to make certain battle events possible...EG Tobruk, etc.