"Rise and Fall of Teutonic Order"

[Turno]

This is the last one. You can convert them to Civ 2 wav format and use them as sound for your events.txt.

[Von Bert]

Thanks ! I forgot to tell that i have Patrician 3 ..
but.. u saved me time to make some "selections" from it then..

I think that now with fatsre lines of internet , maybe people can easily download 3-4-5 mega of music.. and it really can make the scenario more "surrounding"..
so i'll try ..

[Turno]

Download music is a crime...

BTW what rank did you attained at Patrician? I, "Georg Stromberg", got the governor rank at 43 yrs and i've been governor for other 35 'till my retirement.

[Von Bert]

Download is crime ? :O
then .. we ll "cut the music" down to 2-3 seconds pieces..

Patrician ? i did not play it so long.. i dont like "so much" real time games.. so .. all that numbers/prices/ports... made my head turn after some playing.. but.. was a good game..
with an amazing "economic model" built in..

[Von Bert]

where do i am ? Russia...

Hello, nothing really important..
just wish inform to "which point im in the scenario"..
Im in Russia...

I mean , i must finish completly the MAP right ? before place units/towns... so...
that was still to be finished..
and as you know, ( and also Napoleon, Manstein, Karl XII should know..) RUSSIA IS VERY BIG !!!!!
so much land to be worked..and draw
but last night i gived a good kick to it.. and after i ll complete the land between Novgorod and Moskov..it should be done.. at 95%..
Ok.. im horribly slow.. i know.. but i guarantee that each "square" of land.. has been studied and that the map will try to depict this northern land in the better way i can imagine it.. is just that .. i have to revert my working priority... LESS imagination.. MORE work !
gotta stop smoke the "calumet" before launching MapEditor..

But , for those who followed this thread, last night i did it..
i ENLARGED the map 3 square south.. with the good help of MAPEDIT tool ...has been no-pain luckily to do it..
So.. now POLSKA ll have a bit more space south .. and Warsaw ll not be anymore just on the border of the map..

I think the map could be used also for a "Napoleon in Russia"campaign w some adjustement ..

[McMonkey]

"Calumet" huh!

I suspect this has been the inspiration and the downfall of many a designer

[Von Bert]

yep... you are surely right Sir...
i dunno how many hours i had already spent .. "flying" on the map.. i hope it will be worthed all that time.. and "effort"...

[Elensar]

Still following this thread, sort of, just not much to comment on that others aren't saying first.

[Von Bert]

Hi , thanks Elensar..
not many news on this project...

MAP is quite done i suppose, at least 1st release, it took time cause despite the "center" of it will be baltic country (Estonia, Lituania, Latvia , Masuria ), so i obviosulsy started from there..
then as it goes from Moskow to Orel then Malmoe on the other side.. and i didnt wanted to just "fill" this part randomly.. so i tried to be "accurate" also there, using "forest/tundra" to
block some part.. but some time was needed with all that Russian Rivers around !
Anyway..dont expect perfection... if you plan an holiday in Russia.. better you still buy a road map..

you said one day :

Historically, a Major Defeat with heavy casualties was serious trouble. how you will manage it ? As in, "Rebuild? How?"

Well u gived also the reply.. making "some" units expensive to produce.
As the order of battle of each civ i ll try to use are derived from a famous wargame rule-set (De Bellis Moltitudinis, DBM ) , what happen there ?
that if u make a wargame battle among Teutonic and Old-Prussians.. you ll have a Regular Teutonic Army of maybe let's say 20 base/units, with many heavy knights .. against an Irregular army of Warbands.. but numbering maybe 35-40 units..
so..weaker units will counter the strongest by sheer numbers..
or thus is the "plan"..
then.. the whole thing must still be tested ..

UNITS
the list is in some early post.
If space will be available, i ll try add some national "hero".
Any civ will have anyway a leader/king unit ( grand master ? )
I preview some headache.. in setting barbarians... and sounds..

TECH TREE
...ppfffff... will be long, and, if im able, with some "national" part..but definetly im not productive here..
seem i wait to find it done on my desktop one day..
Anyway.. will try to include a tech-chain related to the units type, giving some chance to upgrade units too.
In the end, around end of XV century , firepower will make a first shy appearance, allowing some gun too.

CITIES
Im not sure the cities-graphic will be new from the start, but i may say that the surpise here will be SHIELDS instead of FLAGS..
wich shields ?
"similar" to those from Europa Universalis game.. with some adaptation..
they look interesting imho..


So, thanks anybody, my next need of help will be surely on TECH TREE and then on EVENTS.

[Gagliaudo]

good, vonBert!
keep on!
hurray for special/leader units !

[Elensar]

I agree, but only if the individuals involved are Somehow Special.

For instance, if you made a scenario on Hannibal, Hannibal should be represented. So should his main opponents. But "A Roman general" should just be "general" or "consul". Same idea here, although who qualifies as Special I'll leave for those more up on the history. Just don't have one just because there was a king/general/priest/whatever.

[Gagliaudo]

Elensar: indeed.
I'd add that however some 'unique' special units (mostly if made by masters like Gareth, BeBro & co. ) give (IMHO ) a nice touch (even just for eyes...) to scenarios .
I repeat: my opinion...

[Von Bert]

So.. you suggest to not have generic special characters ?

Honestly that was the way i was going to do..
In DBM wargame the GENERAL unit/base.. has +1 over his value.. so.. i was basically thinking to do the same..
give a +1 bonus Att/Def to this special units.

then, sure , better use a Alexander Newsky as russian hero..rather then a generic "King/prince"...
but .. what if he live for 200 years then ?
Or , on the other side.. wich of the teutonic grand master shell be represented ? so.. i was just thinking to use generic Grand-Master unit.. that when dead.. will make a new one appear maybe.

Anyway, this are just details, and any good idea is obviously welcome !
Considering that as requirement i must try to save event-space, and units slot ..

[Gagliaudo]

Originally posted by Von Bert
So.. you suggest to not have generic special characters ?
Honestly that was the way i was going to do..
In DBM wargame the GENERAL unit/base.. has +1 over his value.. so.. i was basically thinking to do the same..
give a +1 bonus Att/Def to this special units.

maybe I wasn't enough clear (it's frequent... )
I like 'unique' units, and 'special' (meaning='particular') units...

If I've understood, Elensar wrote that a scenario doesn't need the EXACT number of generlas/ chiefs/ consuls we find in historical events... and I agree

then, sure , better use a Alexander Newsky as russian hero..rather then a generic "King/prince"...
but .. what if he live for 200 years then ?

this is a problem I'm always afraid about, in long-timed scenarios... These great men are immortal not only in the historical memory.. but quite like Highlander, too!

Or , on the other side.. wich of the teutonic grand master shell be represented ? so.. i was just thinking to use generic Grand-Master unit.. that when dead.. will make a new one appear maybe.

I agree with your "HochMeister" succession continuity

[Von Bert]

Ah.. ok... i got it right now maybe.. and i agree both with Elensar and you Gagli..

So.. maybe.. we can have "Newsky Prince" units.. instead of Alexander.. so.. when i ll die.. the unit will become the son !
But for Prussians, Tartar, Dane .. i reall think i ll go with a generic "King/Prince/Leader" name..

HocMeister... mmhhh.. this sound german ?
so.. in your opinion in this case , what people will prefer ?
Grand Master or HochMeister ?