American War of Independence - Creation Thread

[civ2units]

Based on McMonkeys great USA map I´ve uploaded a complete new version of my AWI scenario. Please feel free to download the files here

AWI new scenario files

and play a little playtest. Everything should work very well. I´m working now on new sound files and new graphic files for the wonders and improvement pictures. The sound folder in the download section isn´t correct, so don´t use it please.

Have fun with the scenario...

[EZRhino]

Interesting new map I'll have to play through this soon

[fairline]

Much better scale map c2U, I'll definitely give this a spin

Quick observation - leaving aside the disaster at Concord and Lexington, when they performed badly, the flank company composite batallions were the elite of the Brit forces. I'd make the light battalions and grenadier battalions (where are they btw?) better troops than line. Also, I'd have British army units unbuildable and awarded by events at historical intervals, leaving only Loyalit Tories as buildable for the Brits.

Looking at rules you have made some good changes to the uni line-up

Kudos to McM for the map -excellent!

[fairline]

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[civ2units]

Originally posted by fairline
Much better scale map c2U, I'll definitely give this a spin

Thanks very much

Quick observation - leaving aside the disaster at Concord and Lexington, when they performed badly, the flank company composite batallions were the elite of the Brit forces. I'd make the light battalions and grenadier battalions (where are they btw?) better troops than line.

You can build the Grenadiers and Light Inf. in your cities but they are very expensiv. Grenadiers should be better than the Line Inf.
Were there more Grenadier battalions fighting during the war? If so, I will give the British more of them via events.

Also, I'd have British army units unbuildable and awarded by events at historical intervals, leaving only Loyalit Tories as buildable for the Brits.

Sounds like an interesting idea. I will change it in my scenario.

Looking at rules you have made some good changes to the uni line-up

Kudos to McM for the map -excellent!

I´m working on seperate events for Americans and British only. I hope that it will give the scenario a much more historical correctness.

[fairline]

I would up the stats of the light inf to at least line inf levels (perhaps 1 better attack and 1 worse defence?) + terrain move bonus.

There was a brigade of light inf and a brigade of grenadiers max I think. Each contained 2 or 3 composite battalions of flank companies, each of which had been detached from their parent line infantry battalions. There were many more battalion companies (an 8 centre or battalion companies: 1 lt inf company: 1 grenadier company ratio).

In addition, Burgoyne and, to a lesser extent, Howe trained and equiped their line battalions as light infantry (ie they could move at double pace and fought in more open order to engage the Yankees in rough terrain.

[civ2units]

I´ve updated the unit stats. Also I give the British now more Light Inf. and Grenadiers (I called them Foot Guards) via Events. Working now on the events.
Currently I´m switching between the Independence war and Civilwar. Most of the unit stats from AWI I would like to use for the Civilwar.

[Timoleon]

Just downloaded the scenario.
Top notch.

[fairline]

Originally posted by civ2units
I´ve updated the unit stats. Also I give the British now more Light Inf. and Grenadiers (I called them Foot Guards) via Events. Working now on the events.
Currently I´m switching between the Independence war and Civilwar. Most of the unit stats from AWI I would like to use for the Civilwar.

This sounds good, but grenadiers should be a separate unit to Foot Guards. The latter sould be elite infantry (like all other foot regiments they had centre, grenaier and light battalions); grenadiers should be strong also. After Howe's reforms following the debacles around Boston, the composite grenader and light battalions were very much his elite shock infantry and both sould have better offensive stats to regular line inf. Be careful not to exceed an 8 :1: 1 ratio of line:grenadier:light units. There was also a composite brigade of guards.

[civ2units]

@Timoleon:
Thanks very much.

@Fairline:
I will create a grenadier unit and making the Foot Guards to elite unit. Currently I´m working on the British events. When they are ready I will post them here. Please have a look at them and let me know if I´ve to change something.

[fairline]

I've played to 1780 and I'm enjoying this a lot c2u; the map is a massive improvement, and historical events are v. good. Just one quibble: Clinton replaced Howe as C in C in NY, but shouldn't it be Cornwallis in command in the South? Looking forward to Brit events with fewer reinforcements. I tweaked some unt stats in my version (notably lt infantry).

I like it so much, in fact, that I've begun making new units More to follow (I will probably end up redoing everything). New ones here for elite infantry; Foot Guards and RW Fusiliers in campaign dress c/w slouch hat, light infantry (go on, make them better attack than line!), Light dragoon, Tarleton's British Legion dragoon and infantry, Queen's Ranger (probably the best of the Loyalist Tory units) and Butler's Ranger in campaign hunting shirt.

BTW, I just finished reading 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban. It's an excellent account of the AWI from the point of view of the Royal Welch Fusliers, and goes some way to balancing the glut of American viewpoints of the conflict. Recommended.

[fairline]

bmps:

[civ2units]

Great to hear that you like the scenario.

The first siege of Charleston was led by Clinton, it failed in June 1776. That´s the reason why I gave the British only a few units for attacking Charleston. In case of a success, Clinton and his army lands in Charleston. For a failure I will use a flag, that starts a second attack in 1780.

On the other way, Clinton supported Howe during the New York campaign and replaced him as C. in C. after the British failure in Saratoga.
I can change the commanders, so that Cornwallis starts in the south (which should be historically correct, he took over command after Clinton failed in Charleston), Clinton himself fighting with Howe in New York.

I´m working on the British events file. I hope that I can post it after christmas. Currently the most work is to create flags that works in the scenario. I know how I can create them but for some reason they sometimes doesn´t work. After a long time I usually find the mistake.

Please feel free to redoing the units, I´m looking forward to these great artworks. Thanks for the new ones. I will replace the old ones with your new ones in my units.bmp
Could you give me your new unit stats you made for the infantry please? I´ve also changed some stats and I would like to see what you changed.

I usually took my informations from German history books and via German and English Wiki. For some reason, I don´t like the American information about this war.
I only used a timeline from an American site...
Also www.britishbattles.com is a good ressource.

I´ve downloaded the rar file but you included the png instead of the bmp.

[fairline]

Here's a more recent vesion of the newer gfx, this time with a bmp in the rar

You're right about Clinton and Cornwallis in the south. When can we expect more events with Corwallis, Tarleton etc? I want to give those Whig Yanks a proper kicking

www.britishbattles.com is a good resource, as you say
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[fairline]

bmp this time, really