American War of Independence - Creation Thread

[battosai]

Hell, there does exist an advantage (oh, how i loved the secondary maps in the old days). But who can explain me: Why is there no ToT-PBEM out there (apart from fantasy stuff, no offense curt ).

[curtsibling]

IMHO, ToT is the last great CIV2 version.
Better GFX, expanded events options/space,
fully customisable SFX, better game interface.

There are reasons why ToT never caught on as much as MGE.

1)
It wasn't hyped or advertised properly by Microprose.

2)
It looked ugly, and many people were daunted to tweak it.

3)
People basically stuck to the MGE version they knew.

If MPS had spent more time on making the game's
boundaries greater, and made the sprite animations
easier to customise, things would have been different.

And there is nothing to stop people making a PBEM
with a classic like Tech's WoC or Harlan's Mongols!

[Patine]

To be honest, we need a good AWI scen around here. It's been long in the coming. I would suggest having the Spanish and Dutch also triggered to join the Americans with an event, but one likely to occur after the one that triggers the French. The Dutch would have Willemstadt and Paramaribo on the map, whereas the Spanish would have cities in Cuba, Puerto Rico, what is now the Dominican Republic, and Florida. I'd allow the Americans to trade with the French, Spanish, and Dutch colonies prior to their activation.

[Eivind IV]

Take it easy, I was just breaking balls. TOT is superior without a doubt, I just prefer MGE, that's all. Gives me a better civ2-feel. Also, I think it's fair to say you reach a wider audience if you make MGE-scenarios.

Sorry, for jacking your thread, Patine. I'll stop now!

[curtsibling]

Nope, it's my bad, Eivind.
I should have kept my ToT preaching out of a creation thread!

My apologies, folks!

Let's get back to helping Civ2Units make the AWI scenario!

[BillyBud]

Originally posted by curtsibling
IMHO, ToT is the last great CIV2 version.
Better GFX, expanded events options/space,
fully customisable SFX, better game interface.

There are reasons why ToT never caught on as much as MGE.

1)
It wasn't hyped or advertised properly by Microprose.

2)
It looked ugly, and many people were daunted to tweak it.

3)
People basically stuck to the MGE version they knew.

If MPS had spent more time on making the game's
boundaries greater, and made the sprite animations
easier to customise, things would have been different.

And there is nothing to stop people making a PBEM
with a classic like Tech's WoC or Harlan's Mongols!

Curt:

If I may be so bold as to make a request:

I, and many others, would love it if you, and perhaps a couple of other scenario veterans here, could finish Catfish's LoTR scenario for TOT.

I am sure Catfish would not mind (heck, he might even lend a hand).

That scenario has lanquished unfinished for an eternity, and it would be a pity for all those great graphics to go to waste.

http://users.tpg.com.au/jpwbeest/jp_units.htm

To paraphrase Elmer Fudd: You would make many of us vewy, vewy happy...

[fairline]

You may want to speak to Catfish before going off half-cocked

[BillyBud]

Originally posted by fairline
You may want to speak to Catfish before going off half-cocked

I am sure that Curt would ask Catfish's permission before he decided to do anything.

This LoTR scenario has lanquished for an eternity, so it's not like we've suddenly jumped the gun here...

It would certainly give us all an epic scenario to look forward to, and I am sure there would be no lack of playtesters....

[Arthedain]

Billy: I'm pretty sure Catfish would want to finish it himself, any other thing probably wouldn't be right. Maybe someone could convince him to rls the beta though, with that we could all test it and help him. Anyways, enough with the threadjacking. Open u another thread.

[curtsibling]

Indeed, I would reckon Catfish does not require my help to complete his masterwork.

Like the novel the scenario is based on, his LOTR CIV2 epic is a labour of love, and not speed.

...But it will be worth the wait...As it looks totally awesome.

And besides, in CIV terms, I am a mere Radagast, while Catfish is definitely the Saruman.

[curtsibling]

And to bring things back to 1776 -

Whenever civ2units wishes to post his city improvement list, I could have a crack at doing the icons.

And on that subject, will civ2units be using the 'twice removed' tech system to give civs unique units/buildings, etc?

[MacGalleo]

Curtsibling, I agree with you, “Test of Time” has to offer to us much more that the preceding versions of civ2. And you proved it to us with scenarios as “bitterfrost” which is to date one of those that I prefer.
Other talented creators also brought us very good scenarios for “Test of Time”.
Civ2units: good luck for the creation of this scenario with which I am in a hurry to play.

[civ2units]

Originally posted by curtsibling
And to bring things back to 1776 -

Whenever civ2units wishes to post his city improvement list, I could have a crack at doing the icons.

And on that subject, will civ2units be using the 'twice removed' tech system to give civs unique units/buildings, etc?

Thank you for your offer, curt.

I´ve a list of city improvements i will use in the scenario. I can add new or delete some if anybody has an additional idea for the icons.

Here is the list of improvements i will use:

- Parliament (Palace
- Barracks
- Farm (Granary)
- Chapel (Temple)
- Marketplace
- Library
- Courthouse
- Attachments (City Walls)
- Aqueduct
- Bank
- Cathedral
- School (University)
- Brewery (Colosseum) Alternative a pub
- Manufactur (Factory)
- Cannon Foundry (Power Plant)
- Sawmill (Hydro Plant)
- Colonial Trading Company (Stock Exchange)
- Hospital (Sewer System)
- Grain Farm (Supermarket)
- Streets (Superhighways)
- University (Research Lab)
- Coastal Fortress
- Harbor
- City Government (Police Station)
- Port Facility
- Capitalization

Wonders i will use:

- Chichen Itza (Pyramids) Build in the scenario
- Cotton Plantage (Hanging Gardens) Can be build
- Bison Hunt (Oracle) Can be only build by the Indians
- Royal British Army (Waracademy) Can only build by the British
- Factory (Crusade) Can be build
- Henry Hudsons Expedition (Magellan) Build in the scenario
- Hernan Cortez Conquests (Bach Cathedral) Build in the scenario
- Dutch Trading Company (Adam Smith) Build in the scenario
- Declaration of Independence (Cancer) Build in the scenario

Also i will use some special techs only for one or two civs for unique units.

I´m ready with my improvements, i think they are ok.

These icons are from my Rise of Nations game.

Curt, if you would like to do new icons it would be very nice, i like your icons style, especially these ones you have done for your Bitterfrost III scenario.
But it´s not necessary only if you have the time and you would like to do.

[Harry Tuttle]

I think you may want to rename a few of the Wonders you outlined. While some of the effects you mention may still be in effect during the late 18th century they aren't really new.

Chichen Itza, Henry Hudon's Expedition, Hernan Cortez Conquests, and the Dutch Trading Company are all fairly old by the time of American Independence. I would rename them to reflect historical situations encountered during the time period.

[civ2units]

With the Technologies i thought about creating a complete new technologie tree. For example i will give the US one improvement, that only they can build.

I´ve changed the Colosseum icon from the Brewery into a Publishing House only for the US. It will representing the Press Liberty in the independend american colonies at the end of the 18th century.

For the British i thought about including the Manufacturing Plant. In the scneario it will be the Factory, representing the early industrialization at the mid of the 18th century. I´m not sure if it is a good choice. The British could build up a great industry and can build a powerfull army very fast.

I´ve considered your opinion about the wonders, harry.
I agree with you, many of the wonders are outdated at the beginning of the scenario. I should include more special wonders for only one nation.

Like the Continental Army or Continental Congress for the US.

Does anyone have good techs for representing the weapons in this era?