WWII scenario PBEM

[ISeeALL]

Allies discover Labor Union.

[Bostero]

re:

Mosul taken

the city was empty.

Air raids on Bagdad

1- allied fighter destroyed.
1- infantry killed
1- engineer transforming terrain killed.

1- soviet bomber lost.

[Palaiologos]

Siege of Tripoli continues.

"HMS Invicible" finally sunk after a furious naval battle against Battleship "Bismarck" and Cruiser "Stettin". "Stettin" followed "Invicible" to its watery grave...

Penisular Spain under total Axis control. It won't be long before Axis bombers diverted to the Spanish theater will be brought against British and French forces in Africa.

[Palaiologos]

the save....

[ISeeALL]

ready

[Bostero]

re:

Bagdad taken.

1- mech.inf killed
1- engineer terraforming destroyed

1- soviet bomber lost.

Jerusalem captured

1- marine killed.
1- infanrty killed.

partisans are very annoying.
we have seen that Suez was improved with hills!!!!
red army will take a time to reorder the units.

[Palaiologos]

The Spanish goverment finally capitulates. The Furher hadn't forgot how the Spanish stabbed Germany in the back as the country was fighting against the English and the peace terms were particulary harsh.

Algiers captured.

The fortress city of Tripoli taken at last. The Panzer Armee has started a full drive to Alexandria.

[ISeeALL]

Eh...
Jerusalem liberated... 2 bombers downed

Chirchill is sad to see the whole African-Asian part of British empire crushing...


Bostero, I can't understand how you manage to maintain such a high speed of scientific research (at the moment you are researching Nuclear Power and have done twice more discoveries than me). You must be using some trick or cheat. I took the liberty to see your save file from turns 1 and 2 and found that you turned all of your citizens to scientists. Still, this must have lead to a steady extinction of your civ (1 citizen in every city would die each turn). But this seems not to be the case. The fact that you keep high speed of research suggests that somehow your folks are not dying of hunger. At the same time, food caravans are forbidden. Please explain this to me.

Also, I couldn't understand why my airport in Oslo couldn't recieve airlift because of Russian (not German!!) fighters. I don't see any russian airbase, carrier, or city near Olso. What is it then?

[Palaiologos]

Perhaps he is using a lot of caravans.

And the Soviets have indeed built a base near Oslo. I don't know if there aeroplanes inside though.

[ISeeALL]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
Perhaps he is using a lot of caravans.

Well, even if he establishes 3 trade routes in each city, with Communism this won't give more than 3-4 trade per caravan, so this would be 10-12 additional trade per city at most. He could have doubled his trade, but not more... He also has to pay support for his buildings, but if he built lots of caravans, payment for establishing trade route would be enough for a few turns..

As a matter of fact, when playing for Russians, I never could do a single discovery during the whole scenario. If you set 80% taxes, this a barely enough to pay support for building, to say nothing about the science. That's why I am so surprised.

[ISeeALL]

Oops, I loaded save 8 of the Russians and found out that they are actually still discovering Mass Production, not Nuclear Power. They also don't have any of those techs I saw them discovering when looking at civ report in foreign advisor's screen.
I think, this has something to do with version incompatibilities. Sorry, Bostero My fault...

By the way, my game shows that Axis are still discovering Rocketry, and I wonder why Axis have such a slow rate of research.

Palaiologos, please tell, what discoveries you have made so far and what you are researching now.

Since we all have embassies, I suggest we explicitly report in this thread each time we discover something and also tell what we are researching next to prevent misinforming due to version incompatibilities. Such messages would be shown in single player, so I see this as a fair suggestion.

As for me, I finished Advanced Flight on turn 2, then made Labor Union on turn 9 or so, and now I am rushing for Computers.

hew, I thought Russians will start throwing Nukes in the next few turns and prepared myself psychologically to losing the city of London

Truly, I've never had such a straining game yet. Resources are extremely scarce, you guys attack ahead of my expectations and the damn bombers turned out to be the ultimate weapon. I am eager to see how all of this will develop. Anyways, I never thought that playing against human opponents can be so challenging.

[ISeeALL]

Civ2 seems to be still having some bugs... But overall, it's ok

One more thing: I thought my civ had a sligh combat bonus when fighting vs Axis units in South Africa. Palaiologos, did you have that feeling? Once my vet cruiser drowned german cruiser and lost only 10% health. My tank in Oslo killed 3 partisans in single turn and lost maybe 5% of health, of the partisans was fortified on forest! Did you experince similar unfairness in your turns, too?

[Palaiologos]

Hmmm

According to the foreign minister the russians have indeed rocketry, advanced flight, combined arms, electronics and ARE researching nuclear power. I do not doubt this.

Bostero's mass use of caravans has indeed produced spectacular results. I don't believe he cheated, but rather exploited a game mechanic. You see caravans give both a money and research bonus when delivered.
So if he delivers lets say 6 caravans to Berlin per turn he gets AT LEAST half the research points required to get a tech, hence the 5 techs he currently posses ahead of everybody.

As for the Axis rate of research it is indeed low. Frankly i don't give a **** about research in this scenario. Rocketry, fundamentalism and thats about it.

The combat results will surely varry from the ones you are used to against the AI on deity difficulty since we are playing on Prince(PBEM suited) level. Are we playing on Prince btw?

[Palaiologos]

Btw Bostero stop sending all your caravans to Berlin or Munich. Warsaw, Vienna are also cities craving for Russian trade.

[ISeeALL]

Originally posted by Palaiologos

According to the foreign minister the russians have indeed rocketry, advanced flight, combined arms, electronics and ARE researching nuclear power. I do not doubt this.

Ah yeah... They do. I loaded 10-russian1941dec.hot to see that.

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Palaiologos

Bostero's mass use of caravans has indeed produced spectacular results. I don't believe he cheated, but rather exploited a game mechanic. You see caravans give both a money and research bonus when delivered.
So if he delivers lets say 6 caravans to Berlin per turn he gets AT LEAST half the research points required to get a tech, hence the 5 techs he currently posses ahead of everybody.

Gee... I have never seen anywhere that caravans give research. Yes, really, they do add points to the research bar (have just tested that myself on a custom map). With Despotism caravan adds 2 research points when entering a friendly city. Ok, next time I play PBEM game I will suggest forbidding caravans completely, cuz they are generally poorly implemented in Civ2 and spoil the gameplay (e.g. you can build a ship chain and start delivering them to an enemy city for 200G+ per caravan which is of course nonsense).

Also, I find it rediculous that a fighter in a city fails to defend against a bomber and that SAM doesn't count when such a battle takes place. That's completely unrealistic, cuz a squad of fighters would shoot down all of the bombers before they even reach the city. A bomber also can't hurt a fighter if it scrambles to defend the city. In civ2 this would mean that fighter's defense value should be 6, not 3, so that it successfully defended against a bomber most of the times... As it is now, the only way to stop a bomber is a Mech.Inf on hills.

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Palaiologos

As for the Axis rate of research it is indeed low. Frankly i don't give a **** about research in this scenario. Rocketry, fundamentalism and thats about it.

I wonder why you would need just Rocketry without Nuclear Fission. But it's your choice. We will see whose strategy wins. My personal favorite is Mech Inf. You both seem to be very fond of bombers.

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Palaiologos

The combat results will surely varry from the ones you are used to against the AI on deity difficulty since we are playing on Prince(PBEM suited) level. Are we playing on Prince btw?

No, I suppose the game is on Deity level. All of my citizen are red from start. No black ones however (cuz not so many cities). I checked out the Russian save: they also have Deity. A french partisan killed my Armor in Beirut a few turns ago..