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Originally posted by Leonidas
I suppose we could debate the issue of ancient maps forever.
It is not my purpose to convince anyone. If nothing else, it merely raises the idea that history may not always reflect what we have read about in our textbooks.
At the risk of kicking it all off again, I've just got to say that some hairbrained conspiracy theorists and mumbo-jumboists writing pieces posted on the internet do not bear serious comparison with academic research undertaken by historians, archaeologists and geologists and which are subject to proper peer review and scrutiny prior to publication in sensible academic publications. I don't want to debate this with you Leonidas, its just a fact.
Now I've got that off my chest, let's leave this thread to the scenario topic shall we?
it's a mythological age scenario, any idea which culture came up with pegasus?
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!
Sorry for not responding more promptly, people, but I guess I was somewhat intimidated by that vicious exchange. It's safe to come out of my foxhole, I think.
Anyways, great Cerberus there, varwnos. I think I could certainly use it. Any more beasties by anyone would be very well received.
I'd considered using the map from the Fantastic Worlds Atlantis scenario, but that will be a last resort. I'm hoping to come across a better one before then. If need be, I'll just take a giga-Europe map that includes the Middle East (most seem to) and add an Atlantis.
I'd like to add divine intervention events triggered by both researching certain advances and accomplishing certain tasks (slaying monsters or finding valuable relics).
Did I hear Giga-ancient-world map? As a matter of fact, I have one here ... credit goes to Henrik whose map of "De historibus Europae" I shamelessly edited (excellent scenario, btw). Will that map do the trick?
Hmph, Boco, I'll have you know that I threw up my hands a while ago. You can't fire me, I quit. Besides, you forgot to invalidate all the times where he began, "I don't want to debate this, but..." and then went on to debate some more. Those entries are disqualified for blatant dishonesty.
Anyway, to stay on topic and avoid a whipping, Pegasus was definitely Greek. It'd be hard to simulate him effectively in Civ2 where there are no air transports though. Maybe a Bellerophon hero unit could be permanently riding him...though Bellerophon's relatively minor, idunno how many unit slots there are in ToT.
And be sure to include the Sirrush for the Babylonians. That thing was freaking sweet. Sort of a leopard-dragon. Yeah.
Herakles (Hercules)
Iason (Jason)
Bellerephon
Perseas
Kastor and Polydeykes (the 'Dioscouroi', iirc)
--Monsters:
Hydra
Medusa
Cyclopses
Stymphalian birds
the nemean lion
Talos, the robotic guardian of Crete
titans and ekatogxeirai (the latter being creatures that have one hundred hands, so probably it wouldnt be possible to draw them for civ2!)
cerberus
harpies (spelling?)
the sphinx (from Oedipous)
-other obvious greek units:
hoplite
trireme
etc etc
-suggestions for non mythological greek leaders
Perikles (Pericles)
Solon 'the athenian' (athenian lawmaker & one of the seven wise men)
Regardless of who was 'right' or 'wrong', who hijacked or not, and whether High_Flyer is a DL or not, I'd like to say the following.
Leonidas, I apologize for my earlier posting, which was written in anger. Elok, UDB, I'm sorry that I offended and/or intimidated you as well. I regret that the post was mean-spirited and contributed nothing to UDB's scenario. In the future, I will make far greater effort to avoid sinking to such a level again.
DL or not, quelle domme? UDB can make the scenario however he wants; I never said he couldn't, I just said it would ruin the game thematically and in terms of balance. I eventually just dropped it because I don't have ToT anyway. The argument over the possibility of the continent's existence IRL was merely a sidetrack, aided and abetted by numerous additional irrelevant sidetracks about maps of antarctica and crap like that. Now please quit resurrecting dead flamewars, whoever you are.
As for units, I'll add the Chimera, Amphisbaena (I believe that's Greek, though it might be Roman), Basilisks, and the classic unicorn to Varwnos's list (the one with the tri-colored horn). Also pentekonters, if you want a tech tree for naval units in Greece. But it's more likely that you'll need additional units for the other civs more, as we've inherited a VAST body of lore from the Greeks.
EDIT: I don't even remember what you said, Boco, so don't sweat it. But yeah, back on topic.
Originally posted by High_Flyer
@UDB: I wish you all the best in this scenario
This bit I agree with
I'd keep my mouth shut, but I see the following:
It seems to me that Leonidas was one of the few people who had contributed substantially to this thread with information. I, for one, enjoyed reading the info he had posted.
It seems to me that Leonidas was defending UDB's right to make the scenario the way he wanted.
It seems to me Leonidas was espousing his alternative view of history, which is absolutely fine; what he wasn't doing, by and large, was defending UDB's right to make a scenario the way he wanted. Nobody was suggesting UDB should not make a mythological scenario; quite the reverse in fact. I'm sure it's a great topic.
fairline entered this thread and made fun of Leonidas.
I made a flippant comment after reading a huge amount of fantastical nonsense porporting to be fact. It was a pretty mild piss-take that would hardly count as 'making fun of Leonidas'.
Exile, having contibuted nothing constructive to this thread, also made fun of Leonidas (through fairline's statements). He then turned this thread into a flame war.
I would suggest that Leonidas' rather aggressive responses to another pretty mild ribbing by Exile contributed equally to the escalation of the 'flame war'.
Boco then entered this thread and made derogatory remarks (by comparing total words used).
I'd say it was irony rather than a derogatory remark. Read what he said again.
Yet, I feel that Leonidas was wrongly made the culprit in all of this. I don't know if Leonidas has left this forum for good, but I feel that we have lost a very valuable member.
I'd say he painted himself as an innocent victim. Judging by the fact he's still editing his posts to remove comments like 'Fairline made several accusations', I'd say he's alive and well.
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