King David Of Israel

[beingofone]

Lord-

Who and what am I? I am

I was not trying to be rude just did not want you to spindle me into a certain belief system.
I have studied every major religion of the world. worshiped with the Eastern religions as well as Western.
I am not your typical Bible thumper- so I did not want to go down that road.

To answer your previous question was- I do not think we can jump to any conclusion on less then adequite evidence, I do think since the scripture, at least the lions share has been validated.The probability of doubt should always be given to the scripture because it has earned the right.
It has - as you well know, been thrashed for well over 100 years and has held up to criticism by almost all of the best thinkers in this field of study.
If you or Exile wants to continue I am willing. If not that is cool to either way I respect your research and careful thought.
Maybe if I design another scenario you could loan me your expertise which I have grown to respect.

[Exile]

A Response.

1.) No, you didn't insult me.

2.) Yes, I am angry, but not at you personally. I am always angered by injustice and institutional duplicity. I am angry at the continuation of a late Iron Age fantasy into the 21st century. It's bizarre and pernicious at best. At worst, it's dangerous.

3.) "Once again I offer the challenge . . ." Burden of proof is on the believer. I'm not asserting anything. I'm only skeptical of obvious fantasies that receive special consideration because they're part of a "religious" corpus. And this is the crux issue. Can anyone prove any of this? Archeology is a higly specialized discipline. Interpretations come and go, but I have yet to see one that explains the so-called "miracles." On the humorous side of things, the mad scientist Immanuel Velikovsky made some strenuous attempts to do just that. Entertaining reading.

4.) I readily admit that I "know" very little of the universe. I'm not going to learn much more if I accept a baseless superstition. Religion is THE answer. Once you have that, why ask any more questions? I reject it on that basis alone.

5.) No. I have no room for superstition in my life.

6.) The radio analog is a direct descendent of the "wind" story. Radio waves can be detected by instrumentation. Are you saying that we just haven't developed the right technology to detect "higher beings" yet? I'll be waiting for the god-radio. Is it in development somewhere?

7.) ". . . . Regardless of your belief" WRONG! Who said that I believe anything? I just DON'T believe the stuff that you've bought into. This debate isn't about my supposed beliefs vs. yours. I don't have any that require justification. You want to know my beliefs? Read the scientific or historical journals. And sometimes, I'm still skeptical/critical.

8.) Yes, I am aware of my existence and understand its nature sufficiently. I'm just one out of billions of big-headed hominids that have run amok over the face of this planet. Nothing more. I don't need some antiquated fantasy to tell me that I'm somehow "important." I'm just another link in a long biological chain. Now, it does require a modicum of COURAGE to face up to that hideous FACT of existence, and, sadly, not everyone HAS the courage to do so. But retreating from it into superstition is not an option. At least for me.

9.) Yep. I do have dreams, emotions, and ambitions . . . and they don't mean a thing. This is one of the unfortunate aspects of post-modernity; alienation. Welcome to the post-modern world.

[Mercator]

Um, this is becoming awfully off-topic, if you know what I mean... I don't think the validity of the Bible is in any way relevant to enjoying a lovely Civ2 scenario.

[Exile]

Agreed. Gone.

[fairline]

Originally posted by Mercator
Um, this is becoming awfully off-topic, if you know what

It was an interesting discourse for those of us with very little knowledge of the period however

[yaroslav]

sorry for jumping again this thread (the third in a row-enough for a moderator to want to kill me), but I really like this scen

[beingofone]

Thank you yaroslav for the compliment. It makes me feel good to know that someone out there is enjoying my scenario.

I am working on another scenario.

[yaroslav]

I like Israel history and I love ancient age scens so I'm very biased

Can i ask about this new scen? What will it be about?

[beingofone]

yaroslav,

It is going to be a pack of at least 2 scenarios possibly 3.
One scenario I can tell you will be about the Etruscian City States, ( Gagliaudo request on another thread got me thinking ) Greek City States, and Carthagenian. It will be a colonizing and empire growing scenario.


The other scenario will be about the classic Med.
I know this has been done before but I have a few ideas to shake up this classic setting.
Rome, Greek City States, Persia, Macedonia, Carthage.

The third possibly - Alexander the Great - I dont know yet

[fairline]

Now we're talking beingofone - any of those sounds like a good basis for a scenario. Out of interest, can you expand on how you intend to make the classic Med scenario different from, say, BeBro's Imperium Romanum? BTW, I'd lose the Greek city states and replace them with the Ptolemaic Egyptians.

[yaroslav]

Of all these, I would like a lot to see the combat between Greeks and Chartago over Wester med. It's a very nicely idea That will be very, very, very interesting. What role will the Etruscian play? They were minor players compared to both greeks and carthago, as far as I know.

[beingofone]

fairline @

Now we're talking beingofone - any of those sounds like a good basis for a scenario. Out of interest, can you expand on how you intend to make the classic Med scenario different from, say, BeBro's Imperium Romanum? BTW, I'd lose the Greek city states and replace them with the Ptolemaic Egyptians.

I was hoping to catch your interest Fairline the master of graphics for the Civ community .

One thing that I am going to attempt is to make the 12 year campaigns of Alexander truly capable in game terms. Bebro`s Imperium is a masterpiece and it will be difficult to improve on that.

the Ptolemaic Egyptians- I thought about that but I want to start the scenario pre- Alexander about the Golden age of Athens. Very interesting period with the wars between the Greeks.

I need to do quite a bit more tweaking to see if all that I have in mind is doable without being the eternal scenario LOL.

yaroslav @

Of all these, I would like a lot to see the combat between Greeks and Chartago over Wester med. It's a very nicely idea That will be very, very, very interesting. What role will the Etruscian play? They were minor players compared to both greeks and carthago, as far as I know.

That is what I was thinking about the Etruscian, Carthage and Greeks. Actually the Etruscians were a major player in the Western Med area.They siezed for a short time Massillia ( recent digs found this to be true) and Corsica.
They lost there power when the Celts challenged them as well as the Romans. They got caught in a vice with a 2 front war.

[fairline]

beingofone: as luck would have it, I've got the Classical/Hellinistic periods pretty much covered already and you're welcome to pick and choose stuff you like. Let me know and I'll post them.

[beingofone]

Thanks Yaroslav and Fairline for your interest.

I did not mean to volunteer you for a lot of work fairline.
Just kind of excited that you have interest.

Can I find most of your units at CDG and here? If that is so I already have them on my hardrive

[Gagliaudo]

Originally posted by beingofone
yaroslav,
It is going to be a pack of at least 2 scenarios possibly 3.
One scenario I can tell you will be about the Etruscian City States, ( Gagliaudo request on another thread got me thinking ) Greek City States, and Carthagenian. It will be a colonizing and empire growing scenario.

I'm glad to read this, beigofone
I wish you the best for such interesting works