Civ2's source code petition

[curtsibling]

I think we should push ahead and draft an official letter to these powers that be anyway.

We also should tell them the code is wanted for personal uses, and not commercial.

Perhaps we could ask the CTP guys what they put in their letter?

[Mercator]

*zap* (threadjack removed)

Curt: This is the thread that got the ball rolling: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=82253
It seems that in the end, all the e-mails didn't do anything and it was due to several ex-Activisioners who visited Apolyton that it finally got off the ground.

Have a look around the CtP source code forum.

And I think we should get started.

[curtsibling]

Roger that, Merc!

[Harry Tuttle]

Alright, let's get this ball rolling.

[kobayashi]

Do you guys know about this guy who made his own version of Civ2 (to correct its flaws). Maybe we don't need the source code after all.

http://c-evo.org/

[Harry Tuttle]

I do, but his version doesn't seem that hot. Then again, I may be wrong.

[Angelo Scotto]

Originally posted by kobayashi
Do you guys know about this guy who made his own version of Civ2 (to correct its flaws). Maybe we don't need the source code after all.

http://c-evo.org/

Yes, CEvo is ok but it's in Delphi and i don't know (or want to know) Delphi...

[Mercator]

And we don't want to make something that looks like Civ2, we want to improve Civ2 itself.

If we wanted to make something that looks like Civ2, we'd join the FreeCiv (or CEvo, if you must ) team.

[Kull]

Sign me up! NULLpaulNULL@cullivan.comNULL

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by Mercator
And we don't want to make something that looks like Civ2, we want to improve Civ2 itself.

If we wanted to make something that looks like Civ2, we'd join the FreeCiv (or CEvo, if you must ) team.

That would be 'C-evo' to be exact.


In relation to getting a lead. Try to get in touch with one of the team members (John?) of Test of Time. They had access to the original code when writing ToT. He dropped by from time to time on the ToT forum. It's been awhile however.

[Angelo Scotto]

Originally posted by CapTVK
That would be 'C-evo' to be exact.

Ok, but it still continue to be in Delphi...

[Mercator]

Originally posted by CapTVK
In relation to getting a lead. Try to get in touch with one of the team members (John?) of Test of Time. They had access to the original code when writing ToT. He dropped by from time to time on the ToT forum. It's been awhile however.

That would be John Possidente, but I doubt any Civ2 "official" still visits here. But if you happen to have any e-mail addresses...

... And I'd more interested in the ToT code than the original code

He might have registered with a valid e-mail address though.

[GoPostal]

I'm new to programming (about two weeks), and probably wrong, but why couldn't we make our own civ 2 source, then use that source to improve.

[Mercator]

Originally posted by GoPostal
I'm new to programming (about two weeks), and probably wrong, but why couldn't we make our own civ 2 source, then use that source to improve.

Because we want full compatibility with Civ2. We want Civ2 with all the glitches ironed out, and our own improvements added.

Without the original source code we won't ever be able to find out all the details of how the Civ2 engine works, so we could only make something that kinda resembles Civ2, which is exactly what FreeCiv and C-Evo have been doing. If that's what you want, that's fine too, but that's not what we're after.

Creating something from scratch takes way longer than editing existing code too, and even that's already a tedious process.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by GoPostal
I'm new to programming (about two weeks), and probably wrong, but why couldn't we make our own civ 2 source, then use that source to improve.

This idea has been suggested before. A heartfelt piece of advice is in place. DO NOT TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL!

Does Stella Polaris say anything?

If you plan to rebuild Civ2 from scratch don't. If you really want to help take a good look at Freeciv and browse the source. It's the only tried&tested project that is truly free. C-evo isn't because you can only edit the AI, not the source. CtP2 comes with so many legal strings attached you can make a nice bag for yourself. But if you have the original, go ahead. As for CoC...well... it has survived the initial stage but it isn't Civ2 in the sense we know .