Game Settings

[mzprox]

IMO about spy missions:

My first choice would be a mod which increases the cost of civic changing missions

second choice: civic changing is banned

third:spies fully on

Since most of us wants to keep the game unmodded i'd go with the second, so yes we should ban civic changing missions. I agree with RB's view that they are unbalanced.

[OzzyKP]

So this is where we left off on the game settings voting:


Team Apolyton:

1. DNK
2. OzzyKP
3. Dick76
4. mzprox
5. LzPrst
6. Hercules
7. Robert Plomp
8. Toni
9. Calanthian
10. Jobe
11. Ben Kenobi
12. Dinner/Oerdin
13. mrboo123
14. Felch
15. Guynemer

Settings Vote:

1. Spanish Double Move Mod?

Yes - 6.5
Ozzy
Hercules (maybe)
mrboo123
jobe
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

No - 6
Calanthian
mxprox
Robert Plomp
Dick76
DNK
Ben Kenobi

2. Always War?

Yes - 2
Hercules
jobe

No - 10
Ozzy
Calanthian
mxprox
Dick76
DNK
mrboo123
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

3. Nukes?

Yes - 7
Ozzy
Calanthian
mrboo123
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

No - 6
Robert Plomp
mzprox
Hercules
Dick76
DNK
Dinner

4. Espionage?

Yes - 11
Ozzy
Calanthian (without civic switch mission)
mzprox (without civic switch mission)
Dick76
DNK (without civic switch mission)
jobe (without civic switch and tech steal)
mrboo123 (ideally without water poisoning)
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

No - 2
Robert Plomp
Hercules

5. Huts/Events?

Yes - 6
Ozzy
mrboo123
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

No - 7
Calanthian
Robert Plomp
mzprox
Hercules
Dick76
DNK
jobe - no barbs also

6. Corporations?

Yes - 10
Ozzy
Calanthian
Robert Plomp
Dick76
DNK
mrboo123
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Dinner
Guynemer

No - 1
jobe

7. Barbarians?

Off - 5
mzprox
Hercules
DNK
jobe
Felch

Normal -

Raging Hordes - 5
Calanthian
Dinner
OzzyKP
Ben Kenobi
Guynemer

8. Difficulty?

Emperor - 8
mzprox
Hercules
OzzyKP
Dinner
Calanthian
Ben Kenobi
Felch
Guynemer

Settler - 1
DNK

9. Victory Conditions?

Domination Only - 2
mxprox
Ben Kenobi

Domination & Spaceship Only - 1
Felch

All Available - 4
OzzyKP
Dinner
Hercules
Guynemer

Still Need to Vote:

LzPrst
Toni

[OzzyKP]

IMO about spy missions:

My first choice would be a mod which increases the cost of civic changing missions

second choice: civic changing is banned

third:spies fully on

Since most of us wants to keep the game unmodded i'd go with the second, so yes we should ban civic changing missions. I agree with RB's view that they are unbalanced.

Sommer's point though is that if we vote for full ESP then we can use that as a bargaining chip to get other settings we want.

[mzprox]

I don't see the way we could bargain. Every team has its preference which is the preference of the majority of their members. Too bad that some can't accept that the settings for he game wouldnt be ideal for them and backmailing the rest- still we shouldn't vote on settings we don't actually want (I personally don't like the idea of spanish mod either, but if the majority wants it then good)

[OzzyKP]

I wouldn't quite call it blackmailing... just negotiating. But it doesn't look like we'll really need to do that. The only issue that seems to be close in the vote is the vote for the Spanish mod, and as it stands now Team Apolyton is against it (though I hope we reconsider!), so there wouldn't really be much we could negotiate on.

I updated the vote totals above with our votes (so far) on difficulty, barbarians and victory conditions. Here is our totals (or best guesses):

Apolyton Team

Not final, but close to that

Nukes - ON (7-6)
Spies - ON (6 for fully on, 5 for on with civic/religion switches banned, 2 for banned altogether)
Corporations - ON (10-1)
City Gifting - OFF (I assume)

Settings:
Difficulty Level - EMPEROR (8-1)
Game Speed - NORMAL (I assume)
Barbarians - Raging Hordes (6-5)
Huts - OFF (7-6)
Events - OFF (7-6)
Always War - NO (10-2)
Tech Trading - NO (I assume)
Vassal States - NO (I assume)
Unrestricted Leaders - YES (I assume)
Random Seed on Reload - YES (I assume)

Mods:
Change known tech bonus - NO (doesn't matter, the vote is clearly for the default)
BUG mod - YES (included with the double move mod, so 6.5 - 6)
Double move mod - YES (6.5 - 6)
No score Mod - YES (I assume)

Map:
Map type - PANGEA (I assume)
Wrap - Torrodial (I assume)
Mirrored starts - NO (I assume)
Fair/balanced starts - YES (I assume)
Engineered starts - NO (I assume)

Picking Leaders:
Selection process - SNAKE PICK (we're already doing this)
Multiple or exclusive leaders - EXCLUSIVE (I assume)

[OzzyKP]

I still hope I can convince some people to vote for the double move mod! It looks like a great way of solving something that is ALWAYS an issue in games. Please consider it!

And it looks like we are tied when it comes to barbarians. Four votes for raging hordes, four for no barbarians at all.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben Kenobi's votes:

1. Spanish Double Move Mod?

No.

2. Always War?

No.

3. Nukes?

Yes

4. Espionage?

Yes


5. Huts/Events?

Yes

6. Corporations?

Yes

7. Barbarians?

Raging

8. Difficulty?

Emperor

9. Victory Conditions?

Domination. None of this candy-ass cultural dominance.

[Calanthian]

Again I totally agree with Ben

The double move mod is no biggy though..

And on barbs: raging barbs does undermine the accountancy approach on civ which some of our competitors have: so it is in our advantage to have them "raging against the machines'

[OzzyKP]

Again I totally agree with Ben

Just don't say that in the Off-Topic forum.

Should I take your comment to mean that you also support having Domination be the only victory condition? And that you are changing your vote on huts/events?

[OzzyKP]

One more point, since we currently stand at a 4-4 tie on Barbarians, how should we handle this?

If it remains a tie I will report that we want normal barbarians. But if we break 5-4 one way or another would people prefer we go with the slight majority or pick normal barbarians as a consensus option for our team?

[Felch]

Sorry it's late, I'm a bad person.

1. Spanish Double Move Mod? Yes

2. Always War? No

3. Nukes? Yes

4. Espionage? Yes

5. Huts/Events? Yes

6. Corporations? Yes

7. Barbarians? Off

8. Difficulty? Emperor.

9. Victory Conditions? Domination/Science

[Hercules]

Re Victory conditions: I vote all on.

[Dinner]

Settings Vote:

1. Spanish Double Move Mod?

I'm fine with outlawing double moves.

2. Always War?

Not just no, but, hell, no.

3. Nukes?

Yes.

4. Espionage?

Yes, of course, the game isn't worth playing if the dip****s outlaw everything other then being little Hitlers.

5. Huts/Events?

Yes, lots of huts and events plus raging barbs.

6. Corporations?

It's part of the game and best of all 90% of the MP players traditionally ignore these parts of the game so it gives us an advantage to keep all of this sort of stuff turned on.

7. Barbarians?

Not just on but raging hordes. That way when the war mongering dip****s don't defend their cities (because they've made a stack of doom to attack the neighbor) the barb hordes can rip them a new anus.

8. Difficulty?

Emperor

9. Victory Conditions?

All including diplo. No one will win a diplo victory but the other victory conditions are going to be things the other guys never play with online so that means it will be easy for them to forget about them while we use Liz to max effect and sneak one in the back door.

[OzzyKP]

Settings Vote:

1. Spanish Double Move Mod?

I'm fine with outlawing double moves.

Outlawing double moves is assumed. The question is whether we enforce that on the honor system, by voting, by reloading, by arguing OR by a mod that takes care of automatically.

[Dinner]

The mod is fine.

BTW is there an option to allow tech trading but no tech brokering? That way if one war monger gets to far ahead the world can fight back. Since we're likely to have a peaceful build strategy (Phil, specialist strategy) it might be key for us to toss a few techs to the other guys to frustrate the war mongers.