Lizzy's rise to greatness

[MJW]

One further point.

OT4E who doesn't wish to continue for Civplayers, citing all sorts of reasons, is quite happily playing in a new Pitboss on CFC.

Ouch...

I think Sommers is just too late... If he showed up a week after OT4E made his last post or so we would have something to talk about. I wouldn't have a problem with a sub as CivPlayers is screwed anyway. So Sommers would just do the dirty work of not giving away cities for free. Which is all CivPlayers would do if OT4E didn't quit.

I think there's just not much to talk about this game. S-Apolyton and WPC didn't know what they were doing in this game. But other than that people acted predictably and logically. WPC, Maya and Germans were 100% justified giving up and vassalizing to someone. RB was justified getting dogpiled and lost because the attack came 10~15 turns faster then they expected because of spies and gold-gifts. And they would have lost anyway if Mackoti didn't hijack CFC because CFC wouldn't have DoWed CivFr in the first place. The only wars where one side wasn't getting pwned, and the DoW wasn't suicidal or forced, was CivFr vs CFC 1&2. This being the second demogame with much fewer players then the first didn't help.

[Hercules]

One further point.

OT4E who doesn't wish to continue for Civplayers, citing all sorts of reasons, is quite happily playing in a new Pitboss on CFC.

[Hercules]

Well there has been a surprise late offer from Sommers to take over the Civplayers team. He claims to have not been involved in CFC team or Civ 4 for some time.

However, though this might revive the game, the concept of civ site teams is destroyed.

The only things that makes me consider this proposal are

a) Sommers is a very capable opponent and would do his best for Civplayers.
b) It gives us the chance to end the claims of Uniciv (HRE) and (Civfr) Maya to any share of Victory, which in my view they are not entitled.

But can we close our forums at this stage.

Edit: It would seem there is no interest in our forums anyhow, or am I wrong?

[MJW]

Well it looks like no one else will open their forums without someone prodding them. I only really care about CFC and I suspect that you guys would too. So I think it's a good idea for someone to post there and you might as well prod everyone else while your there.

[OzzyKP]

Hello visitors!

[Aeson]

Ok, I've opened the forum.

[mzprox]

Too bad we eliminated RB, I mean it's nice to playwith a team with such enthusiasim..much rather them than some of the teams i'm not gona name now. Btw I said it back then that my hope was that we don't eliminate them, not even criple them too much. I hopedwe take most of the former inca land while the invasion of cp and cfc would had failed against RB's core...at least for a verylong time. We would had helped cp and cfc, but our economy would had been the leasthurt by the war..
Unfortunatelly Rb's defense collapsed, they made several mistakes.attacking when they shouldn't had to or not attacking when they had the chance.This way the attackers had 2:1 kill/death ratio and not the other way around as it could had been expected.
So there was no stop, but to go for a total kill..

[mzprox]

It's funny to read RB's C&Dthread, their speculation from spying and demographics data. They put great effort in this and got very accurate results about our civ even before we met . And it's funny to see making assumptions, corrigate when necessary.. and stuff like "Apolyton has now probably claimed the award for "latest research of Iron Working in a competitive Civ game", getting the tech on T157 (920 AD according to the event log)."

[MJW]

I don't think there's any reason to wait anymore as 2meta/mackoti just posted a bunch of spoilers at RB and we are past the week deadline to find a sub.

[mzprox]

Yeah, RB thought it was cfc behind the attack, but actually we were preparing for it for a long time and we hadn't need to be convinced at all . At that time we (us and cfc) thought cp's contribution would be small, but they actually managed to build/upgrade many unitsand alsowe cooperated very well with unit and gold trades.

(since our forum is still closed I don't think 2metracan read thesepost yet). Btw I don't mind opening the forums.

[MJW]

Well if you check out the "post-game" thread I linked to at RB it looks like Mackoti pushed for the first war against CivFr against 2meta's wishes. RB would have still attacked Germans. So if mackoti didn't play RB would face straight three-way dogpile. So a good portion of my earlier posts no longer matter. The biggest error was not considering gold gifts which allowed the attack 10 turns or so earlier before they could defend themselves with rifles and use the nasty SoZ+Great Wall combo.

2meta if you are reading this, I don't know you 2meta but you might be using a different name here. Just tell me if that's right.

Edit: MZ, RB defended against CFC, because they thought they caused the dogpile, so they didn't defend against us.

[mzprox]

I will really miss civ, but no chance commiting myself for an other game any time soon..

[mzprox]

I run though some parts of Sulla's game reports at RB forums. Mostly from the early years and the war between us.

First of all, great quality reports from Sulla, great job.

I've made a little rant during the game about howmuch I dislike our starting position compared to other's, especially the lack of rivers. We had to choose between food (production) and floodplains (cottages), RB had both in their capital and ofc used them expertly. Little things add up and they got ahead more and more.
They were helped by getting a nice barb city quite early and having more space to expand (thanks to thier slowish neighbours).

We grabbed the land we thought were worth grabbing, leaving somespot to fill up later with cities and went for a scientific approach, getting academies early. The plan was to get ahead in science and get wonders/bonuses etc. This plan got hit by RB's great economy at several point. We lost the hanging gardens which I have counted on and later we even lost liberalism thought it should not had happened . And it took a big cooperation between us (and I think others) and cfc to at least they hadn't got the Taj wonder.
Yet it was nice to see that they had underestimated us at several points, thinking we got nice science from our trait but form there it shall be a downhill. Before the war we truly had our golden age. Got rifles earlier than anyone had expected, built an army very cheap and stole important technologies.
Between the 3 (main) civs which took down RB we payed the least for this war, which gave us the top position after it was over.
I can say that while our land was not that great, the geopolitics made up for it. We could delay building armies for quite long, we did not had a suicidical neighbour...
Back to RB:They did some questionable moves during the war.. They couldn't had win, but we really got the victory for quite cheap (after RB got the rifling tech quite early thanks to their cooperation with uciv I had expected much longer and more costly war).

[MJW]

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=48

I must point out the videos are down because Twitch changed their policy not because RB did anything.

Edit: I don't know of the others of who is up. RB has a lot of content so I was able to write a lot just from that.

[mzprox]

are other team's forums open already? if so could you give me a direct link?