Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Russia (DoE)]

But thats OK. Just like in the real life we tend to always say: "The good old times" - those are not always "good" for real, we just tend to forget how poor we felt back in the time and we think that now it is the end of the world.

After each diplo-game there are people who declare it the worst of all time, the most unfair and so. So this is no exceptional case. Too bad you guys quit before the end of the game.

[LzPrst]

as for your position, yeah, you teamed up with China to smash Mongolia, making you great and creating a situation in which Mongolia would never have any fun in the game. well done...

[LzPrst]

as for Russia: Nothing happened to me, but you don't seem to understand that a diplogame is about more than 1 civ. A game like this depends on the enjoyment of the players, and frankly, I don't care if my civ is doing well if the game has already been decided, which it has. There is a fundamental point in the diplo code and that is that it should be fun for all players, but the situation you and other great powers created made that practically impossible.

As for your accusation, I did not quatro move, that is not even possible, China did not play their turns, does that mean they are immune to attack? I moved my fleet into position, waited for China to take its turn, when it didn't I attacked. Fair and square so take your accusations and stuff them. As for the "fairness" of razing their 4 best cities, China was still after that a bigger and stronger empire than many civs, so I don't see how that is unfair in any way. If it is unfair for them to be reduced, how is it no unfair to smash a smaller civ into an even smaller one, something you have participated in numerous times in this game.

I am not quitting because the axis lost destroyers, I am quitting because you and other players are routinely abusing game mechanics to your advantage, and been creating a diplomatic deadlock which has in effect ENDED THE GAME. YOU HAVE WON, THE GAME IS OVER!!! why is that so hard to accept? There is no point to playing out the last few turns when you are already victorious. This latest attack caused the 1 player in the game that has been a challenge to you to leave because he considered this ridiculous abuse of pacts and such to be unsportsmanlike behaviour. You just ended the game by abusing game mechanics. Congratu****inlations.

[Russia (DoE)]

And what was my position? Who put me in it?

And what is your position? Who put you there? Yes, it is Russia who is guilty for everything.

As it was Russia who ganged up with other nation to attack France in 2vs1 in the ancient time, taking HALF their cities, resulting in a player to quit the game early on.

Then as it was Russia who lied and threaten to his former ally so he was looking desperately for protection.

Then as it was Russia who allied with the most advanced military nation - the Vikings and then with France to attack England.

Then as it was Russia who made India make alliance with Neandor, while the Neandors were at the peak of their power.

Then as it was Russia who supplied Japan with ships to attack England in the Pacific, making the war against England a 4 or 5 vs 1.

Then as it was Russia who made India dishonor and break the NAP INDIA PROPOSED to Russia.

Then as it was Russia who still remained inclined to the Axis, no matter that they have left and deserted India.

None of those was Russia's faults. You may not know, but it was me who stopped China from intervenuing when you got the rifles from Vikings and refused to give them back. And still you blame me for everything in this game. Got a clue.

[LzPrst]

as the former Indian player I just want to say the following: this game has been a complete and utter travesty, and the main reason for that is Russia's unsportsmanlike behaviour. you have continously used your position to create a deadlock in this game in which the major players routinely team up against and mess up the weaker players in a number of ways.

I have a lot of criticism towards a lot of players, but the game is NOT FUN for the majority of players and that is because of Russia's manipulation of half the civs to serve them like puppets and them letting it happen.

The ganging up of several large nations against one minor civ has been endemic in this game and the level of sportsmanship has simply been at an all time low for any diplogame I have been in and now the major civs that have been permanently ganged up on others are surprised that the rest of us are fed up? get a clue.

[Russia (DoE)]

Hahahah... ridiculous you say.

Ridiculous is putting so many ill feelings in a game, which is about fun and quitting when the things are not going to your taste. Is this how you feel about sportsmanship?

And what you, India are complaining about? What wrong happened to you this time? It is OK when the world overlooks that you quatro-move China and RAZE 4 of their best cities, then the whole world comes to fight a war to save you from the AI. Then your territory is about to be doubled and bring you back in the game, but you quit on the news that the poor Axis have lost 15 precious destroyers?

This is ridiculous.

[India (DoE)]

seriously, this is ridiculous. I am out as well.

Russia, take your win and your puppets and be done with this. this game is OVER!

[Russia (DoE)]

England is temp-subbed by it's ally Russia and is acting on the exact instructions of doing whatever it takes to destroy the Axis fleet, which can challenge the English fleet and bring back the dark times when 3 nations invaded and seized all of the Britannia.

Quote from the game rules:

05. Subbing
a. Subs will always put '(sub)' behind their name when they login to the game. (ie. 'Emperor Augustus (sub)')

b. tmp subbing for allies is allowed.

I do put all the time (sub) to the name and it is only a temp subbing - England is on 2 weeks vacation as far as I know, and I am subbing for England for 4 or 5 turns now.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

Ok, i understand now, Germany made a defensive pact and expected that anyone who would attack the vikings would face him too, so no point gifting units. This circumwented by England declaring war first.
It is a game mechanics issue that defensive pacts are dissolved after one trigger. Even I did not know that.
It's a bit dirty trick, but I think the real problem here is why the second top player is played by the top one, while the third one also their allies (+ we know half of the players are actually subbed by that third one )

[Russia (DoE)]

... I don't blame you for doing it, I can blame civ that it allows it, ...

This!!!

...

Axis twice came up with clever plans to outmanuver and outsmart the Allies, but twice their plans were foiled. Neandor player is heartbroken over this, and his frustration at not being able to outsmart us has got the best of his emotions. That is why he is quitting... period. All the rest is nonsense.

And this.

[Russia (DoE)]

I think when a single Rambo destroys 30-40 units that is abuse of game mechanics. Maybe it's ok in a Hollywood movie, but not realistic. It's an abuse even if it's perfectly legal. I don't blame you for doing it, I can blame civ that it allows it, but I don't do that either because civ4 is still the best strategy game I played.

Oh, come ooonn!!! This is absolutely realistic, even in the historical sense - how many times fleets are caught in the port and destroyed by land units? Is there a need I to look up Google for examples or you all can do it on yourself?

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

I think when a single Rambo destroys 30-40 units...

Haha good one! I think you just named one of my units I like that one Arabia... nicely done.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

No one can blame any "abuse of game mechanics" for them quitting. Neandor is quitting because they made a clever plan to do a city swap with Vikings to create a Naval upgrade base for Axis in the Mediterranean. However the plan didn't work because it was executed in a flawed way. The flaws in the execution allowed the Axis Navy to get sunk, just as the flaws in the execution in the Oil grab at Tlaxcala caused the Axis Navy to get sunk.

Axis twice came up with clever plans to outmanuver and outsmart the Allies, but twice their plans were foiled. Neandor player is heartbroken over this, and his frustration at not being able to outsmart us has got the best of his emotions. That is why he is quitting... period. All the rest is nonsense.

[Russia (DoE)]

I will explain what happened.

Neandor gifts Berlin to Vikings, but only the city - not a single unit - the units are there, but they are Neandors.
France sails there their wooden fleet and gift it to Vikings.
Vikings upgrade the wooden ships to Destroyers.
They lose all movements from being upgraded and stay in the port of Berlin.
Instead of gifting few units to the Vikings, Neandor decides to just sign Defensive Pact with Vikings, counting on the automatic declaration of war to prevent anyone from capturing the city. To me this sounds more like abusing the game mechanics. If you want to make war with someone, you declare war at him, right?
England declares war at the Vikings, the game automatically makes Neandor declares war to England too, so the Defensive pacts is already triggered - its purpose is done and it is no longer active.
Ottomans declares war at Vikings and marches in Berlin, as there are NO Viking land soldiers to stop them. The Viking destroyers are destroyed.

Now England is at war with Neandor and Vikings

and

Ottomans are at war with Vikings.

Simple as that.

Where is the abusing?

Veneta is mad at us and at first accused England of double-moving, then after I said England skipped the ENTIRE last turn just to avoid being accused of double-moving, then he started accusing Ottomans of double-moving, then accused us of using Out-of-sink errors to our advantage... WTF...

This was well planned and brilliant executed operation. Come on! you lost 15 units, its not the end of the world, learn, move on...

[Russia (DoE)]

I'm very sorry as the game was not even yet decided

Exactly!

I know to many of you I look blacker than the Devil himself, but come on, guys! Havent you heard that the night is darkest just before dawn? And in the morning most of the times you laugh at your own night fears? How you are gonna find out what tomorrow brings if you quit?

I want some clear formulated accusations if anyone have any. Say: You and you did this and this, you mistreated this and this, you cheated here and here, you broke this and this rule, you acted bad or insulted or whatever so those accused can defend themselves and their actions. Just quitting a game, which is played by so many players and for so much time till now is not a mature behavior. OK, you have issues with the moral of someone - but say this... Falling for the very same trick twice in a row for less than 2 weeks - just no one else you can blame... Not to mention to treat quitting and ruining the game.