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[Egypt (DoD)]

Well, I have also said it's 27, but I'm not going to argue about it.. since you were wise this time accepting our terms quickly, then 24 will do.
Note that using the apostolic palace's power against us will be the violation of our peace treaty.
The units must be gifted in our land (I mean Egyiptian homeland not in some of your island) and I will immediately gift back the cities (one for 3 each units)

one last thing: Egypt did not murder anyone. that what you call city was merely an outpost which autorazed itself. founded 5 turns ago only to serve you as a base for your attacks and by stealing land causing starvation in your soon to be yours again cities. Egypt does not intentionaly destroy cities, even when it would be convenient..

((and your excuses why is only 8 city when you said 10 is amusing.. it was always 9, down with one which just rejoined you. if I had a 10th city how could I raze it..ah whatever.. ))

[Egypt (DoD)]

((in any case there is peace now, so turn timer can be lowered--damn.. I thought declaring war would cancel that stupid vote ))

[Babylon (DoD)]

You really can't be honourable or truthful can you desertbrain.

Immediately you try to add extra terms to the peace treaty in your favour:

Note that using the apostolic palace's power against us will be the violation of our peace treaty.
The units must be gifted in our land (I mean Egyiptian homeland not in some of your island)

We have no intention of using any weapons against anyone, but the treaty between us is the treaty you declared publicly and which we accepted. You can't go round adding extra clauses to it afterwards.

You wonder why you have lost the sympathy and support of other nations, your arrogance is unbelievable! At every moment your lust for power drives you just that extra bit further. Peace is declared, so you can't resist trying to screw out of other nations that extra little bit. When you carry on like this it will be many centuries before good will is restored between our nations.

But let the peace stand as declared by you and agreed by me. You have massacred too many Hindus for us to worry about your manners.

[Babylon (DoD)]

((in any case there is peace now, so turn timer can be lowered--damn.. I thought declaring war would cancel that stupid vote ))

I thought you had cancelled it too! But you see the gods are on my side - well someone needs to be!

[Rome (DoD)]

Egypt, Hindustan, when I read all your messages, I can't get rid of the thought that you are a married couple....!

As for the wars, Rome is currently sick of wars.
We considered invading Hindustan to take advantage of their bad position and seize all of the old VIking cities, but we did not at the very last moment. Both for the sake of pitty and for the reason that we are sick of war.

So Hindustan, write that down in your records: Rome had pitty for you and spared your Viking cities.

[Egypt (DoD)]

Those terms were the short version, which you hastly accepted.. wise indeed since you were about to lose more cities... but details are also important in each treaty.
details which you are not willing to talk about because you think it would only give me more.. but it is not true..
Why not shape the treaty in a way which benefit both of us..
for example: if you are not sending the troops to the mainland I will slave transports from your cities because it is not in the terms that I can't use slavery untill I surrender them (just as you drafted Nidaros before you handed it over, but that was naturaly expected)
And fine, I will not demand that you shall not use the apostolic palace against me.. but where is in the peace treaty that I can't take it as casus belli?
So the peace treaty stands unmodified, you can still consider those things I believe.

[Babylon (DoD)]

Thank you Desert Lord,

I can assure you that the anger of the recent communication from the Great Conclave was because it was felt that you were unilaterally just adding extra terms to a treaty. That unlitateral action is what produced claims of arrogance.

In comparison, discussion and agreement between us as two equal nations wishing to build peace after the bloodshed and destruction of the invasion of Hindustan, would be a very sensible plan.

I am surprised that infantry on islands is a genuine concern for you. You already have many troops on the islands which were transported there by your own transports, which I presume will be transporting them off. So I find it hard to understand why it would be such a hardship if say 3 out of the 24 infantry where handed over on islands. This would only increase the number of your troops to be returned from Hindu islands from something like 15 to 18. If you could help me understand why this is a difficulty for you, that might help find solution.

My worry is that this just ends up as a delaying tactic, whether designed that way or not. Hindu people have suffered enough. It would be very difficult to bear if there are Hindu infantry ready to buy out their city's freedom, but the city has to remain enslaved for 6 more turns just because you proclaim that one piece of Egyptian territory is not satisfactory.

It makes good sense for us all for this transaction to be done as quickly as possible. Given the destruction of Hindu shipping which you brought about, it is not easy for us to transport Infantry acorss the world at your whim. In the interests of speed and fairness can't you accept that a small proportion of infantry may be handed over on the islands you hold?

If not, it would be good to understand exactly why. If it is such a hardship, perhaps helping you in this way could be balanced by an agreement which helps me, of me deciding the order in which the cities are passed over.

Regarding the apostolic palace. I have no doubt that you will hold Babylon responsible for any actual or percived slights or actions against Egypt in the future.

Loki, Negotiator for the Great Conclave

[Egypt (DoD)]

Great Conclave,

1 out of the 24 wouldnt do much difference, not even 3 but 24 would and we have to draw that line somewhere. You can transport those troops to us much more easily. We have only a few transports in the area, others are coming to bring back our troops but even that will require more than one turn((and one turn is like 10 game turns or so)). So please send the soldiers to Egyptian homeland to be able to finish the deal as fast as possible.
Opening our borders would also speed up the process of emptiing those cities, we hope you agree, it would be a good step to repair the damage between our nations.

Desertlord

[Babylon (DoD)]

Desertlord,

We have already sent technicials to Egypt to arrange the details to open borders, which is necessary for troop transfer. I believe the order is now simply waiting your signature. Troops are already waiting at the border.

I can assure you that we intend no trickery regarding islands. As you know on the most northernly island our deliverance force had already landed in significant strength. We are shipping this off at present, and forces will reach your land by railway. We do reserve the right to transfer small numbers of island garrison troops to you on islands. You have had mastery of the sea for a century sinking every Hindu ship, so forgive me if I find it hard to believe that its easier for me to ship troops than you.

We notice that various islands have been set to begin building troops - ships and aircraft - with long build times - 16 turns in one case. Such is your right while you retain control. However, since troop transfer will be complete long before the end of these build times, we - and the rest of the world - will expect you not to slave these products. It would be more sensible and and expression of good faith if these were to change to producing wealth for you.

Loki, Negotiator for the Great Conclave.

[Egypt (DoD)]

You ask us not to slave the cities but you just drafted in Nidaros before you handed it over. As a compomise We will restain ourselves to slave all those troops- we only did it in two of the cities instead of the avaible four and now set all cities to wealth. we will not use slavery more.

[Babylon (DoD)]

So this is your version of peace and building goodwill is it Desertlord?

We agree a peace treaty. You then ask me to go beyond it to your advantage by transporting trooops across the sea, while at the same time slaving Hindu cities, and your justification is something that happened before peace was signed. What could I justify on the basis of the massacre and destruction you brought to Hindustan before peace was signed?

But we have little choice but to accept your actions. But your words about 'repairing the damage between our nations' seem rather hollow. Perhaps there is some lust for power and arrogance left. No matter, we must continue.

Loki.

[Egypt (DoD)]

You must agree that arguing about this matter leads no where. We made an offer when we had 9 cities and Nidaros was still a happy city before the draft. Then you took a city an drafted Nidaros and assumed our peace offer still stands. It was you who altered the peace treaty, not us. But We decided that even after the changed circumstances we will go along with that plan.. only because we are peacefull at heart.
And the thing that we will not continue slaving even if we could is something.. I of course don't expect you to accept and admit it, but at least don't push the matter when as I said it doesn't lead anywhere.

Desertlord

[Babylon (DoD)]

15 infantry have just been tranferred, observed by international aircraft with teh pictures available. (7 near borsippa, 2 in the middle of our border, 6 at the north of our border near uppsala)

Please released 5 Hindu cities immediately.

Any troops which are dislocated by this we will work together to get back to Egypt; but that is not a reason to delay.

If you have trouble with ships i could supply a galleon (which you could upgrade if you wanted using your ever powerful oil) at the northern island where you forces remain stuck, in exchange for one of the infantry count.

[Egypt (DoD)]

I have offered back 5 cities. I don't need that galleon, my transport will arrive shortly.

[Sumeria (DoD)]

Questions.

Is it possible to provoke negative 'random' events? I have just had 2 in succession, is this just bad luck?
How can a tile go from 7% cultural influence to 97% in 1 turn? Is this possible to provoke this or is it a bug in the game?