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  • I agree on the bit of bad form here and Russia has already apologised.

    Even though we don't cover this with any rules in this game I once again urge all players to step back and think about their actions.

    Please from now on in this game I request that any in game subbing be totally transparent to all the other players. Amonst other things it spoils the secret diplomacy - AND there are VOLUMES of that!
    "Old age and skill will overcome youth and treachery. "
    *deity of THE DEITIANS*
    icq: 8388924

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    • Sumeria the only communication you had with the Americans was a request for a trade, which I agreed on. I did control the American civ following the org player instructions. Yes maybe i should have put a sub, so the rest of the gang knew they were subbed. I will be more careful next time if someone requests me to sub for them.

      What big alliance, that alliance was forced upon us after the most advanced nation Egypt decided that they have the right to curve down whatever nation they disliked. Of course after weighting the pros and cons 3 nations decided to ally for their own good. Egypt you did create that alliance by your own actions.

      As for Mongolia goes, you speak of you being their protector, may i ask what have you done for them in order to aid them? From my corner of the world, seems that only Russia is trying to do something about it and aid Mongolia in enjoying the game (Thumbs up for the Mongolian player sticking so long and being interested in the game.)

      Again as you all saw, America stands by what we have said and done in game. To some wrong and to some right i guess we need to move on.

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      • Originally posted by Russia (DoD) View Post
        As for Mongolia goes, you speak of you being their protector, may i ask what have you done for them in order to aid them? From my corner of the world, seems that only Russia is trying to do something about it and aid Mongolia in enjoying the game (Thumbs up for the Mongolian player sticking so long and being interested in the game.)
        Agree on the thumbs up, but please note that Gondor has inter acted with Mongolia and kept them informed for game enjoyment along with cooperative arrangements.

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        • Mongolia and the Americans have got on reasonably well since the early arguments about city placement and it has been American willingness to destroy the military strength of China while leaving the majority of the cities to Mongolia to capture that will help Mongolia improve its position in the game. It is very disappointing that Sumeria has taken advantage of that destruction of Chinese power to capture some cities that I could have taken for myself, but have instead left for Mongolia to capture. Any war that results from these aggressive and unnecessary Sumerian actions should not be subject to threats from Egypt, as any such war will be designed to benefit Mongolia alone.
          I request that Sumeria consider giving the mainland cities of China to Mongolia, Sumeria has enough land of its own, Mongolia does not.
          My Friend,

          Please do not be concerned about Sumeria grabbing any part of China, apart from Macau, and there are no troops heading towards the mainland.

          Gilgamesh
          Apparently this earlier communication from Gilgamesh was not worth the paper it was written on.

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          • So you knew that war was coming and when Russia declared war on us You intended to supply them with troops and money. Still saying you have no argument with us?
            The war had already commenced prior to Russia subbing for me. I have had no contact with other members of the alliance, my alliance is with Russia alone and the aid I provided went to Russia alone. I have no alliance with any other nation, but friendly communication with several. My alliance with Russia is unconditional, so I provided aid as is reasonable when Russia was at war, likewise Russia will do the same for me if war becomes necessary and aid is needed. I have no argument with Egypt, but my alliance will always come first. The alliance provides the security I need in the superpower politics that the game has become, I am too weak to survive on my own, even though I am stronger than several other nations.

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            • Originally posted by Russia (DoD) View Post
              What big alliance, that alliance was forced upon us after the most advanced nation Egypt decided that they have the right to curve down whatever nation they disliked. Of course after weighting the pros and cons 3 nations decided to ally for their own good. Egypt you did create that alliance by your own actions.

              As for Mongolia goes, you speak of you being their protector, may i ask what have you done for them in order to aid them? From my corner of the world, seems that only Russia is trying to do something about it and aid Mongolia in enjoying the game (Thumbs up for the Mongolian player sticking so long and being interested in the game.)
              I see ic , ooc mixxed a bit here, so I keep the fashion..

              First of all, it was an unecessarily big alliance.

              Second: I'm protector of all who hasn't been consumed by your "alliance"-and only from the alliance.. I might decide on other kind of protections..
              Last edited by Egypt (DoD); October 25, 2010, 04:06.

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              • Poor Russia needs all the ally they can get.. I can see they are currently feeding the Mongols, so I probably I can count them too as part of the alliance..

                Being good is too easy... try my way.. much more fun.

                ((Btw I had a chat with Russia about what Egypt is researching and why, I did not really agree on Russia's proposal what is more fun for the game. I won't be more specific here, but I think you can figure it out what we were talking about ))

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                • Can't connect to server..

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                  • Server crashed (while I was reloading Doe).
                    Then I by accident linked DoE to DoD on civstats, so the stats on civstats are now (temporarily) screwed up.
                    It's all been fixed. I used Egypt's last autosave to reload.

                    This means that from Egypt's last login on (including Egypt's moves!) have to be replayed.
                    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
                    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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                    • Egypt, Russia doesn't need many allies. But when it comes down to it like you bulling Rome. Some preferred to form an alliance to fend off your aggression. As you said you underestimated the response by Gondor and Russia.

                      Feeding Mongolia? Why shouldn't we try to help them? It is not charity, but an attempt to lift a civ to a more solid condition. Or you prefer sumeria to grow even more? Yes this is not a diplo game. Civs can and have been destroyed. But I wonder if any of you or me would have been still in it as Mongolia have stayed and played.

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                      • Originally posted by America (DoD) View Post
                        It is very disappointing that Sumeria has taken advantage of that destruction of Chinese power to capture some cities that I could have taken for myself, but have instead left for Mongolia to capture.

                        My Friend,

                        Please do not be concerned about Sumeria grabbing any part of China, apart from Macau, and there are no troops heading towards the mainland.

                        Gilgamesh
                        Apparently this earlier communication from Gilgamesh was not worth the paper it was written on.
                        Different circumstances alter cases. What was written was true but after your advice that Russia also wished parts of southern China I had no choice.

                        It is easy for America, and Russia, to claim Sumeria has 'enough land of its own' but the pair of you share an entire new continent which Sumeria could never have got to. Neither have America or Russia had to fight for their empires - every scrap of Sumeria's has come from war. If I had acted differently I would be sitting in the same situation as Mongolia is now.

                        I have helped Mongolia throughout the game. I agreed borders and have stuck to them. It would have been easy for me to have sent them to the same fate as France and Maya but I didn't.

                        I also applaud Mongolia for not just quitting. I don't want to harm them but if the price for handing over south China is further increase in Russia's power then I will not pay that price.

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                        • Originally posted by America (DoD) View Post
                          ... Any war that results from these aggressive and unnecessary Sumerian actions should not be subject to threats from Egypt, as any such war will be designed to benefit Mongolia alone.
                          I request that Sumeria consider giving the mainland cities of China to Mongolia, Sumeria has enough land of its own, Mongolia does not.
                          Ah, I have just noticed this: I feared that the noble Sumerians would be the next target of your evil expansionist alliance. I will not allow this unfair war to happen Unfair because it could only end with the defeat of Sumeria, even if they would win the war against America there is America's "unconditional" ally to help them out. And Yes I saw that Gondor is already building the railroads accross Mongolia se they are too preapring to intervene if necessary.. I'm disgusted by you and your actions.
                          The Desertlord will do whatever He can to stop this abdomination, your alliance..

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                          • I to now notice the scarcely veiled threat surrounding 'Sumeria has enough land of its own'.

                            Let it be known that whilst America may be content to be Russia's obedient puppy Sumeria is nobody's pet to be used or discarded at the whim of its' master. You seek to provoke a war; not because it is to your advantage but because it is the will of your master.

                            Do you think me blind? I know what and where the troops that might attack me are. I see the Russian, American and Roman Riflemen. I see Gondorian and Egyptian Infantry as clearly as I see your many Knights. I know the peril my nation lives under but it is a peril that has existed for centuries.

                            If Sumeria is attacked she will fight! She has spent her entire history fighting for her very survival so please do not believe that submission is a word that has suddenly entered common usage in Uruk.

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                            • Well Russia has done what it can to aid Mongolia, we have handed the Chinese cities to the Mongolians. Of course we can not expect Sumeria to do the same. Still it is a shame to see one endlessly greedy.

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