The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Orb (DoC)]

Interesting, I skyrocket in game score but drop everywhere else especially diplomacy. Oh well back to planning my rise to power.

[Orb (DoC)]

I dont think England and Inca are still over but they do take their turns with a good amount of time still left on the clock. Maybe if they were to agree we could lower it to 15hrs.

[OzzyKP]

2. Since the beginning of the game I have tried all the time to help my small neighbors and ballance the game. I do not accept it if right now everybody acts like I am a selfish player anyway.

As far as I am aware the very first civ on the planet to build a second city was Russia. What became of that city? The benevolent Persia stole it in the very first war on the planet.

Russia, who you claim to have bent over backwards to help out all game, was then trapped in the middle between four different civs, stuck with no where to expand to, and stuck with very few cities compared to the rest. For many reasons that was a very important city location for Russia. But I guess part of your strategy to help out small civs is to strangle them in the crib so they become dependent upon your "charity" to survive.

But that is all part of the game. You played it very well and scored an impressive early victory that paved the way for your success since then. To their credit, the Russian player has never whined or complained about you taking such an important city away from them.

Just don't act like you've done so much good for the small civs around you that through force of arms you helped make small in the first place.

[Robert]

Anybody still bored after these few posts?

[Robert]

If the England/Inca war is indeed over I will lower the turn timer back to 14 hours. I think both Russia and Persia agreed that the timer could be lowered. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Robert]

Rate comments (anonymous):

Month 02:

A much better voting system than BtP!

I reread all Oct09 Posts so rating from me is based on a combination of quantity and quality (Public) and PM private. I didn't give any 7s

Arabia: extra attitude for continueing despite problems
Inca: great stories, consistent way of displaying
Ottoman: please more stories and more diplomacy! Attitude: bonus points of healthy ame attitude despite bad position
Britannia: great stoies, good diplo, same with Russia!
Rome, Greece, Byzantine: good stories! MAD members: extra diplomacy points
Mali: please more stories. Russia: extra attitude b/c of handling the voucher issue!!

Month 03:

In short, the more active posters got better ratings from me but I looked at the content also. I looked at every post during November. We had great stuff between Byzantium and Russia (and allies) at the start of the month. And a great burst of posting from Korea, mostly mid month. Then we had the early signs of an England v others (especially Rome) conflict. Persia kept in their with skillful diplomacy as far as I could judge.

Arabia: good attitude (5), only a few stories (3). no much info on your diplo (4)
Greece: almost no stories(2), don't know about diplo(4), normal attitude(4).
Natives: 5 in all categories.
Byzantium: you lost the diplo-war with Persia(3), good story telling but not as much as last month(5), very good attitude (7)!
Inca: way to go on organising anti-english war! (7) story above avg(5), good game attitude(5)
Ottoman: good game attitude! (6) (continue and loyal despite bad position), hardly any stories (2) and ok diplomacy (5)
Britannia: awesome storyline (6), isolated yourself on diplomacy (3), very good attitude (7)
India: spreading tao; very good diplo! (7), nice tao storyline (6) and above avg attitude (5)
Persia: won diplo-war with Byzantine (7), stories dropped from past month (5), not much info on diplomacy (4)
Egypt:nice but few stories (5), don't know much about diplo (4), game attitude avg (4)
Korea: Postive game attitude! (7), hard to follow your diplomacy [much activity, hard to see a line) (3), nice story posts (5)
Rome: good game attitude for organising anti-english war (7), your stories suffered a bit compared to last month (5), good game attitude (7) (losing war with a grin on your face)
England: you failed diplomaticly, war with 5 neighbours! (1), good stories (6) and awesome game attitude when attacked by 5! (7)
Mali: nice stories, put some images for some colour there! (4), don't know about diplo (4) and you have an above avg attitude (5)
Russia: good attitude in war vs Byzantium (6), good stories leading up to this war! (7) and congrats on winning the war by diplo (6)

Yes, I also commented on myself, did this only to cover my identity.

[Robert]

Game Score Stats and Charts
Month 01 General
Month 01 Categories

Month 02 General
Month 02 Diplo/Story
Month 02 Atti/Score

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Month 03 General

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Month 03 Categories Diplomacy and Story

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Month 03 Categories Attitude and Gamescore

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Current Gamescore

[Orb (DoC)]

On to a more important matter. Can we lower the clock yet or at least post some more war stories to keep me distracted from the long and sad timer?

[Orb (DoC)]

All I have to say is the statement I made was not only true but IC.


Also @Persia: if you could pull of deportation of Russia I would be truly amazed but first you have to win the war

[Persia (DoC)]

Rome: like I said, I have no problem with Russia stabbing in my back. I never complained about that.

I have a problem with these occ accusations to me because they aren't fair and they aren't true.

In general actions like Russia's are not good for small civs. I'll think twice next time before I'll help a civ like Russia. He's allowed to do it, but I doubt that this kinda backstabbing helps small civs on the long term. But that's an in character thing.

But I'm pretty serious about that. When I found out that I'm one of the bigger civs I decided to try to help my neighbors a lot, partly to keep them friendly to me (ic), partly to help them and have a fun game (ooc).
Now it appears that this strategy is not working for both ic and ooc reasons I will think twice next time to implement it again.

Persia was willing to battle England (as many small civs repeatedly requested, the big ones should fight the big ones) but now I was stabbed in my back on my way to England I'll think twice next time before I attack a big civ again.

bottom line: what Russia did is fair and good and legal and everything.
but next time don't complain if big civs don't attack big civs and if big civs don't support small civs with goodies. We're not crazy.

But this complain is not towards Russia! Russia is playing an awesome role playing game! He never complains ooc! he just plays his game. I admire him for doing so.
For game reasons I hope he beats me! But hey, for Persia reasons I'll deport him b/c he did the worst backstabbing ever! But I think that deporting a civ to a new location is also good for game reasons 8) It's never been done before, has it?

[India (DoC)]

Oh.. no.. an other civ complaining ooc in the story thread..no, wait: it's Korea again..
Persia, don't take it personally: I too got the "I'm destroying the diplo spirit" and "this game is over anyway"

Now seriously: There is no such a thing that everyone is equal in civ. Even Korea is much stronger than some others. If I'd gift away all my vouchers still didnt change too much. I can't work on that to make others as strong as myself: Technically I could give away lots of gold, cities , units to others but that would just hurt the game: took away the challenge, the rp whatever.. (I did help btw to other civs, but I looked for rp reasons to do so)
Being able to get classical techs for free was part of my "strategy" They don't really matter too much for me.. altogether don't worth a voucher..
My way to balace the game is.. er not yet.. get hints from the story thread.
But I can tell: I don't intend to leave the planet by some kind of spaceship..
Btw I'm not big.. I have 9 heavily overlapping cities, my population last time chekced was 12th. on the demographics screen. But yeah, I'm rich..
If we are talking about such things: I wonder what would have happend if I had been placed on the central continent.. or next to a civ like Persia (when He invaded with 5 axemen I had like 3 warriors and a chariot.. ) I'm a builder type player who has found builder neighbours and left alone... if you have problem with that do something

[Rome (DoC)]

I put forward that every jealous statement I made was in character. A small nation can be helped by a big one, even a big one that in all ways behaves nicely, and still feel jealous about their neighbors riches.

This means that, as much as it is not in character to accuse big civs of not playing nicely, just BECAUSE they are big, it is not in character to blame a small civ for taking advantage of their bigger neighbors help and then still stabbing them in the back... International relations just are dependent on more than just "Your actions have proven your good intentions in the past"! There is also "Our close borders spark tensions" and "We are annoyed you have fallen for a heathen religion" (Rome hates Hastog and all it stands for, but I ooc love the fact I have something to kick against.) Civ does not do this for nothing with AI's. Even having a serious headache could theoretically lead to war in Civ as far as I am concerned.

Also, you small civs: if you feel you're disadvantaged compared to the big ones, the open options are: ally with your neighbors and attack a big one (this strategy does take some careful planning, high chance of issues along the line, I've noticed ), steal and deal and plot and scheme to increase your position inch by inch, put one big one against another, find good allies

If this game should only be fun for the person who wins, 14 other players are wasting a lot of time over the next one or two years.

Oh, and I bet Belgium does hate Germany :-)

This game is supposed to be a role playing game.
Can everyone please stick to the role playing approach and abandon the the jealousy approach?

1. the 'big civs should help small civs' is NOT a role playing approach. Role playing = there are big civs and there are small civs. And Belgium doesn't hate Germany either b/c Germany is big.

2. Since the beginning of the game I have tried all the time to help my small neighbors and ballance the game. I do not accept it if right now everybody acts like I am a selfish player anyway.

Yes, Persia plays this "big mean selfish" role in the game.
That's fine, fight it in-character if you want.
But the facts are that Persia has been very kind and nice to the small civs around it. I tried to hide that by writing big fat selfish brag stories, b/c that's my ROLE!
Now I'm being accused OOC for being a OOC selfish player, which is simply not true.

Don't mix OOC up with IG!!!!!!!
Or I have no other choice but drop my role and adopt a nice boring holy attitude civ while I just continue to do the same.

[Robert]

All: Please keep the Story Thread In Character.
Talking about "top 4 players" and "ballanced game" is not in-character. It can be discussed here, ooc, if wanted.
Also ooc-responses to these posts should be made in this thread.

[Greece (DoC)]

sorry you all for missing my turns.... i'm now on vacation not much internet, a stressy family visit schedule and forgetting my civ DVD everywhere. i'll probably be able to play this turn..

[Persia (DoC)]

This game is supposed to be a role playing game.
Can everyone please stick to the role playing approach and abandon the the jealousy approach?

1. the 'big civs should help small civs' is NOT a role playing approach. Role playing = there are big civs and there are small civs. And Belgium doesn't hate Germany either b/c Germany is big.

2. Since the beginning of the game I have tried all the time to help my small neighbors and ballance the game. I do not accept it if right now everybody acts like I am a selfish player anyway.

Yes, Persia plays this "big mean selfish" role in the game.
That's fine, fight it in-character if you want.
But the facts are that Persia has been very kind and nice to the small civs around it. I tried to hide that by writing big fat selfish brag stories, b/c that's my ROLE!
Now I'm being accused OOC for being a OOC selfish player, which is simply not true.

Don't mix OOC up with IG!!!!!!!
Or I have no other choice but drop my role and adopt a nice boring holy attitude civ while I just continue to do the same.