Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [OOC Chat Thread]

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Pitboss Khmer


So are we playing a game contrived by rankings?

OR

Are we playing a game in the context of the vision of civilization development?

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In 1000AD how can a nation half a world away be a realistic concern in terms of the current history of your neighbours?

It's a great shame that we can't play without the score being visible. It's largely bs anyway (a few wonders and techs and fluff pop makes the difference - big deal)

Your English is much improved! I'm impressed you were able to learn so much so quickly!

[Pitboss Rome]

Much sensible here from Sparta ...

[rest removed because Greece has removed the chat it was commenting on]

This is a game we are playing isn't it?

(And yes if anyone could mod it to hide scores I think that would be very attractive)

[Pitboss Greece]

For the record: I have removed my OOC posts because I think that I shouldn't posted OOC comments about this. I'm sorry that I did. (And thanks to Rome for taking the time to read them )

[Pitboss Rome]

Its dangerous not to read everything you say very very carefully - whoops maybe that is an in-character comment

[Pitboss Korea]

I want to know what he said!

[Pitboss Vikings]

seems the intersting part of the game has disappeared again. so much for the big war. seems that the small nations who were standing up for each other have gone back to being a SIMCITY builder.

This game seems to be all about who can build the biggest and best civ not qbout the fact that in the real world if a large nation attacked a small nation the world should listen

if people think it ok for Rome to attack rus and take back its previous territory from 1500 years earlier then Germany was justified in its start of WW2 with the retaking of all former German lands.

The world should have let them do it and leave it be.

PErhaps this game has to many Chamberlans in it and not enough Churchills

Just my .02 c worth

[Pitboss Khmer]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
seems the intersting part of the game has disappeared again. so much for the big war. seems that the small nations who were standing up for each other have gone back to being a SIMCITY builder.

This game seems to be all about who can build the biggest and best civ not qbout the fact that in the real world if a large nation attacked a small nation the world should listen

if people think it ok for Rome to attack rus and take back its previous territory from 1500 years earlier then Germany was justified in its start of WW2 with the retaking of all former German lands.

The world should have let them do it and leave it be.

PErhaps this game has to many Chamberlans in it and not enough Churchills

Just my .02 c worth

Press on proud Oldonians.

Khmer are far away but agree on the need for action.

A Khmer scout on the Rome border can see Prats, Cats, & Spearman but no Knights.

If only...

[Pitboss Korea]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
seems the intersting part of the game has disappeared again. so much for the big war. seems that the small nations who were standing up for each other have gone back to being a SIMCITY builder.

This game seems to be all about who can build the biggest and best civ not qbout the fact that in the real world if a large nation attacked a small nation the world should listen

if people think it ok for Rome to attack rus and take back its previous territory from 1500 years earlier then Germany was justified in its start of WW2 with the retaking of all former German lands.

The world should have let them do it and leave it be.

PErhaps this game has to many Chamberlans in it and not enough Churchills

Just my .02 c worth

I have to say something, because I'm sick of hearing this nonsense.

First of all; if you want to go to war nobody is stopping you Ras. Further nobody is obligated to start up a war simply to entertain you. And historically your point is ridiculous. First of all, considering the amount of technology and the distance involved, in a historic sense it would be HIGHLY unlikely that a country as far away as Greece would even be involved. So already this game is beyond being realistic as far as history goes, so you should be happy about that. Secondly there is no historic precedent for "small countries" defending one another, there is no reason for a country that is "small" to help another "small" country based solely on the fact that it is small. In fact, in your case, you just had Islamists kill your king and then you killed the Islamists, but now you are supporting an Islamic nation?

THAT makes no sense.

And I don't see what you mean by what you said. As far as I know all of the countries who are still opposed to one another are opposed, as far as I know YOU are still going to war with Rome (have you even declared war yet?), as far as I know the Spartans and Japanese are also going to war with Rome, as far as I am aware Greece has still cancelled its deal with me, as far as I am aware Piercia is demanding Russian land back, or at least a negotiation or they will go to war with Rome, as far as I know Russia is still calling for war against Rome.

I am upset because you are constantly complaining about what other people do, and all the while you do not put your money where your mouth is. This has nothing to do with what is going on in the game as far as who is friends or not. This is just something I've noticed from you since I started this game. You came in thinking it was going to be a certain way, and you continue to think it is a certain way even though it is certainly not. Sometimes countries are more powerful because they have better players in charge of them, you can't blame them for that all the time. It isn't fair to them, and a lot of them have made efforts to help other civilizations. Did Heraclitus not help you? I am sure they have. Greece has helped me emmensely, so don't give me this crap about bigger civs not helping smaller ones.

I'm sorry for the outburst, but I'm sick and tired of this complaining. If you don't like the game, don't play in it! Nobody is forcing you to.

[Pitboss Vikings]

oh capo capo capo....


MY devious plans are afoot.


My army is marching to the east it will take long time yes.

We hasve declared war read the psots not everyting has to follow game mechanics. such as there is no war till it says so in game

When my army arrives in rome terriroty it will die. that is the game mechanics , but i am playing a role where by a small nation like my own has been attacjed and i fear the same thing happeneing to me.

So my people will fight to the last person to stop rome.

This of course will mean my civ wil lfall lower down the poitns score may have to give vassalage to someone as well . so i dont do this for my pleasure of achieivng greatness in game. i do it becasue it is the right thing to do

For history sake , most wars are fought my smaller nations grouping together to fight larger ones.

WW2 germany very much larger and pwerful than the allies. England anf france were never ready for the war. they held out and lasted till america joined, maybe something similar in this game will occur.

Maybe if the Great one on my side i can hold out till Khmer awakes and sends troops.

But beleive me this is all part of the plan from day one.

[Pitboss Rome]

if people think it ok for Rome to attack rus and take back its previous territory from 1500 years earlier ...

Isn't this an in-game argument?

[LzPrst]

Raz, your understanding of WW2 is not quite correct.

France had a decent army, and a huge colonial empire. But they were taken completely by surprise and were outwitted greatly. Noone, not even the Germans expected France to collapse the way it did.
Britain had the undisputed worlds greatest navy and the greatest empire in the world. With numerous "vassal" states such as Australia and Canada.
Germany was militarily strong mainly by its effectiveness, not its numbers. Technology, tactics, equipment and training made the Wehrmacht the monster war machine it was. Not size. The German industrial base was also smaller than the combined British and French.

And America didn't win the war for the allies, the Soviets did.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by LzPrst
And America didn't win the war for the allies, the Soviets did.

We were nicer about it though.

[Pitboss Rome]

till america joined

but america never did declare war. They only joined when Germany declared war on them. Until that point they were loaning (not even giving) equipment to the Brits - the debt was only finally paid off a couple of years back. A lesson there in how big countries might 'help' others.

[OzzyKP]

Doesn't really matter who declared first. America entered the war and certainly had a big impact. (admittedly not as much as the Ruskies)

[Pitboss Korea]

Yeah Ras, you're totally wrong.

France was considered to have the best land army at the time before the war (if I am not mistaken, that may have been WWI, but it was still thought to be very good). To say Britain was a "small nation" is laughable. And the two big nations you cite, America and the Soviet Union were not so big actually. America wasn't as strong as it was at the end of the war and the Soviet Union was still pretty backwards and underequipped. Not to mention they were attacked by Japan/Germany, not the other way around.

This doesn't matter though, because it has nothing to do with anything. We aren't supposed to follow every single historical event in the game. I mean there are OTHER wars, not only WWII. What about the crusades? What about the Thirty Years War? The Punic Wars? the Spanish Civil war? The Crimean War? I can go on and on, they are all different so WWII has nothing to do with our game at all.

Besides all of that, why did you start your post out with "Capo, capo, capo..."?

NOTHING you said in your post was a response to my post. I was *****ing about you complaining all the time.