Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [OOC Chat Thread]

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Portugal
Oh i see changes now, wasn't the problem trading 2:1 ?

No, it was a top-civ trading 2:1 with a bottom civ. (twice!)

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But it's bad form to trade this way with bottom civs. I'd say: clever if you can do it to a top-8 civ (or something).

And the fact that Japan is fine with this trade doesn't change anything to the fact that a top-civ benefits a lot from an uneven trade.

But like I said, no reason to coninue this debate (ok, it's a fight now, offcial) ooc. Civs that want to bring it IG can do that. OOC there's nothing to say anymore since it's not against the rules. (which I've said before as well).

Last note though: please don't make this a personal fight. You're making this pretty intense. Take some distance and try to reflect a bit.
As a top-player you should expect criticism when there's an uneven trade with a bottom civ. And if that critisism makes no sence, then try to make your point in a calm way.

[Pitboss Portugal]

Last note though: please don't make this a personal fight. You're making this pretty intense. Take some distance and try to reflect a bit.

So now I am bad, when you and Khmer start the whole f.cking thing?

I tried staying away as I said but your constant banging at me pushed me to post.

What is worst that as you said 5 times no rules have been broken. But you still keep at it with Kh. Don't act like all noble and that you are trying to help the game.

You two have been at my neck every single fu.king game. Your personal biased s*it towards me as a person have made you two constantly seek whatever just to throw it at my face at 1st opportunity.

Every f*cking game what ever issues we had i have tried to fix. Only to find our in the next game that you two will start it all over again.

Even with no rules being broken and my attempt to play as fairly as possible you two try to hang me.

And YES this fight will continue, I am not staying on the sidelines anymore and taking your insults every given chance you get.

[Robert]

We addressed the issue, we didn't start to swear and make things personal.

This has nothing to do with a personal bias.
We just had a problem with a top civ trading 2:1 with a bottom-civ.

I've already said that I think we should not continue this debate like 5 posts ago, but you keep coming back, then I answer you.

Please try to reflect a bit on yourself.
You should learn to handle criticism more. You're a top civ, top civs always receive criticism. But you're not the only one. Japan/Oldonia have been criticised for their fake war, Russia for their absence, many civs for their 'slow' turns, others for their too long or too short stories.

I've said it before: do you really think that nobody should say something about a top-civ that trades 2:1 with a bottom civ? (certainly if it's about something as rare as vouchers?)

And regarding 'staying away from the issue'.
Nobodies wants you to stay away from the issue. We just want you to participate in it and bring in mature arguments that defend your position.

Now you first 'stay away' for a few days, and then you fly into it with a very aggressive tone.
All we want from you is just well-based reasons that explain you actions.

And no, I have not insulted you.
But like I have said before, being a top player brings responsibilities. The top players should care a bit for the bottom players, and not try to exploit them and use them for their own uses.

Doing that is not against the rules, but it is bad form. If you think that's an unfair conclusion, then give me reasons why I'm wrong. Talking about f.cking this and insults there and all that isn't really helping this issue.

[Pitboss Portugal]

As a top-player you should expect criticism when there's an uneven trade with a bottom civ

Again you have no idea what i have given them, to call it uneven. Hint their neighbers should be thanking the gods that they are in good relations with Japan currently.

With this trade I have made them the most advanced military civ on our continent.

Many will consider this a great trade.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Portugal


Again you have no idea what i have given them, to call it uneven. Hint their neighbers should be thanking the gods that they are in good relations with Japan currently.

With this trade I have made them the most advanced military civ on our continent.

Many will consider this a great trade.

Well, then you should've posted the above a few days ago, instead of 'staying away from the debate'.
All I did was posting someting remarkable, expecting to get an explanation.

Now you finaly gave an explanation. Thanks for that. Next time give the explanation immediately.

Future will tell us if the trade was worth it.

[Pitboss Portugal]

We just want you to participate in it and bring in mature arguments that defend your position.

There is nothing to defend, when I haven't done anything wrong.

[Pitboss Portugal]

Well, then you should've posted the above a few days ago, instead of 'staying away from the debate'.

Well I am actually glad to see this so called debate start up, it really shows who is purely playing to win and who is playing diplo.

[Robert]

defend / explain your position.

If you did nothing wrong then there's no reason to become angry. You can then just explain yourself.
Once again: a 2:1 trade from a top-civ to a bottom-civ attracts questions.

Your reaction suggests that you're not willing to explain your own actions. Why not? Why are you not willing to just answer our questions just to ease our discomfort?

[Pitboss Portugal]

Your reaction suggests that you're not willing to explain your own actions. Why not? Why are you not willing to just answer our questions just to ease our discomfort?

It is called in game strategy. I am not going to explain my foreign policy reasons for making that trade.

Are you ill or what how many times should i say that i feel that my two techs gives any civ right now a huge advantage over whoever. They are both crazy expensive for this stage of the game. That is where the cost of 3 vouchers come in.

[Pitboss Portugal]

If you did nothing wrong then there's no reason to become angry.

Hmm why I am angry let see, maybe it is because you come all firing up with Deity and trashing my civ. Think about it next time you post.

[Robert]

I'm not ill (please stay away from personal attacks)
You never had to get into detail. You can just say: "The deal is fair since Japan got somethin extremely exclusive" or someting.

I wonder btw, in 20 turns he most probalby could've had these techs from other civs for 2 vouchers. And since his economy and production capacity is really low I wonder if he can benefit from this deal anyway. But like I said: the future will tell us.

[Pitboss Portugal]

I wonder btw, in 20 turns he most probalby could've had these techs from other civs for 2 vouchers

haha you are shooting blanks!

It suits you to say 2:2 just for the sack of your own argument.

One thing is to wonder and another thing is to actually do this.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Portugal


Hmm why I am angry let see, maybe it is because you come all firing up with Deity and trashing my civ. Think about it next time you post.

You really have a one-sided view on this issue. Try to reflect a bit more.
I have just raised a question. Quote me where I trashed your civ.

If you can't quote me, please then stop this nonsense. I've just raised the question. If you're getting that angry because someone raises a question regarding your in-game actions you really have an issue.

But if I did trash your civ: please quote me. I think that I've stayed objective and nuanced all the time. If not, then I'll certainly apologize.

[Pitboss Portugal]

Ok I do not need the Webster.

But hear me out, all this chit chat from you and Deity is biasing people into taking maybe action towards me or acting more negative in game against Portugal.

That is what I ment by trashing.

Now to correct you again it is not a 2:1 trade

I gave Japan 2:3 which is 1:1.5

[Pitboss Portugal]

in-game actions you really have an issue.

And this is coming from the person who has been having an issue with me for the last 2+ years

You are the one who needs some reflection.