Analysis of Popular Diplogame Civs/Leaders

[Pitboss Korea]

I dunno, I've seen it happen before. We just have to have dedicated and patient players.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, I updated the list with the Dance of Civilization civs/leaders:

On a different note, here are the civs/leaders: (alphabetical order)

Arabs		Saladin 
Byzantine	Justinian I 
Dutch 		Willem van Oranje 
Egypt 		Ramesses II 
England 	Elizabeth 
Greece 		Pericles 
Inca 		Huayna Capac 
India 		Mahatma Ghandi 
Korea 		Wang Kon 
Mali 		Mansa Musa 
Native America 	Sitting Bull 
Ottoman 	Mehmed II 
Persia 		Darius I 
Rome 		Augustus 
Russia 		Catherine

The only original pick in the whole bunch is Darius.

Augustus, Mehmed, Justinian, and Pericles are chosen for only the second time.

Saladin, Willem van Oranje, Catherine and Sitting Bull are selected for the third time.

Gandhi, Mansa Musa, Ramses and Wang Kong picked for the fourth time.

Elizabeth is picked for the 7th time.

And of course....Huayna Capac is picked for the 8th time.


Also, surprise, surprise financial is overly represented again this game:

FIN 6
SPI 5
PHI 4
PRO 3
CRE 3
IMP 3
IND 3
ORG 2
EXP 1
CHA 0
AGG 0

[OzzyKP]

Who was the Natives, Inca, Celts, and all the various Japanese players?

Also, who took over for the Vikings? Trev?

[Black Knight 427]

I took over Japan after another player had it then maddox or whatever his name is took over for me.

[Black Knight 427]

This thread is very confusing. Is cappo doing another mod?

[deity]

NOTE that Ozzy bumped this thread from Aug 25 2008.

[deity]

Who was the Natives, Inca, Celts, and all the various Japanese players?

Also, who took over for the Vikings? Trev?

Marcus (Aussie_lurker) was Vikings.

Inca was Whiplash or something...

Maybe Cyber could post a list of the real players in BTP if he has some idle time

I'd love to know who the Celts were... never worked that out.

[Robert]

I'll post a list later, it's somewhere near the end of the last org thread of BtP as well.
Perhaps Inca are picked for the 8th time, but this time a new player may picked him for the first time. Not to mention that I don't remember the Inca ever winning a game.

[St Jon]

Sub's should be excluded from your list Ozzy. I inherited Russia in BtP and would no more pick them than America as they are an utter waste of space. UU and UB have no worth when the game starts and that's what counts in Civ Choice. Leader Choice is different and Vicky is a damn good leader for England. Byzantines are a goodie as well and I love SPI leaders. You cannot just ban any popular Civ or make an arbitrary choice as to who is too good to get them!

Inca are the acknowledged best but they are not that easy for a beginner to play. In SP they are a dream but this is not SP. I don't understand why Zulu were so unpopular as they are brilliant for early game expansion. Egypt is a peach as well under good old Ram and Khmer are no slouches! I can understand why, on the map design, Portugal has been banned as Carracks would have unbalanced the game totally but that is only down to UU not any other advantage.

You might as well ban Wonders next!

PS. Can people please stop posting as PitBoss ******.

[OzzyKP]

If the exact same civs and leaders are being picked every game that is not only dull but it suggests an imbalance in the game. Certain leaders are picked more often because, rightly or wrongly, they are perceived to offer a competitive advantage. A competitive advantage that is spread unevenly will unbalance a game.

In some MP communities for example they outright ban the Inca for this reason. Because in their games, like ours, the Inca are always chosen. In their quest for balance and fairness in the game they sought to limit this competitive advantage.

Just something for us to consider as well. This thread is a way of tracking that.

[Robert]

It's good to track it, Ozzy. But so far no game has been won by the same leader all the time, so I see no reason to ban any civ yet. Maybe the new 'fair play' category can give some boost to rare leaders.

@St Jon: I'm going to disable the pitboss accounts when I'm home somewhere during this weekend. (it's going to be a busy weekend)