HOTW XII Diplogame Organization Thread. Part 2

[Diplo France]

The Ottomans have an atrocious voting record.


They should send in the votes for session 5 and 6.

The old Russia should do the same since Nols wasn't there in the early sessions.


EVERYONE VOTE FOR SESSION 7!

[Heraclitus]

Hey Carpathia what about a simple incentive, like if you didn’t vote in a session you can’t get votes in that session?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia


Personally, I pay little attention to who voted or didn't vote. I cast my votes with complete disregard to the status of others voting record. Considering under half the players even vote on a regular basis, I would be willing to guess even fewer take the time to factor in who votes and who doesn't.

Ok, I just sent my session 7 votes AGAIN. I renamed the email "Carpathias votes session 7". The first attempt was simply named "last sessions vote". Perhaps this was the confusion?

Anyway, I counted my votes in my sent items and it totals 5. So I missed 2 voting sessions. Whoever is managing the votes (CS?) please verify that you have recived 5 votes total from me. I will vote for session 8 just prior to game time.

And yes, one of the missed votes was the week I was sick. I do not feel I should vote for this session considering I did not play in it. This leaves my unexcused session votes at 1 which I think was the first session.

Session 7 was the session you were sick.

[Diplo Carpathia]

Session 7 was the session you were sick.

Ugh... ok i don't know which session is which apparently. All I know is I send in my vote, usually the hour before the next session, and I constantly see postings about how I haven't been voting.

If i sound annoyed, it is only because I am.

People are all up in arms about how not everone is voting, but apparently the votes are not making it through. I don't know if this plomp email is faulty, or if they are just not being regestered correctly or what.

I'm about two seconds away from posting a screenshot of my "sent items" from my plomp email.

Heraclitus, good idea.

In conclusion, I think four changes have to be made to the mechanics of this voting for it to truely work as intended.

1. No voting on past sessions. As ozzy pointed out, I didn't even know what session it was i didn't vote in. Now, I am suppose to vote on past sessions? Firstly, I don't know which story posts go with which session short of braking out a calender and compareing post dates to session date. Secondly, I doubt most people have the memory to accurately recall what happened in game two or three weeks ago. Voting needs to be restricted to the LAST SESSION PLAYED.

2. Better organization. There seems to be too many chiefs and not enough indians. IMO a seperate thread should be started that deals only with voting and is moderated/organized by ONE person. Perferably the one collecting the vote emails.

3. Better player selection. I don't want to point fingers, yet I don't think i have to. Some players just simply do not post, and do not vote. I understand that real life can throw you a curveball (TRUST ME I KNOW), but I don't see any excuse for week after week of non-participation. If you can't at least make a small effort in this regard there is always Rah's Saturday night game. Now if real life issues are expected to be ongoing, thats fine, find a perm sub. When I see people consistantly show up for the 3 hour game however, yet can't find one hour out of the rest of the week to make a basic post, or 5 minutes to vote, I have to wonder.

4. Incentive to vote. Heraclitus's idea would solve this. However, his idea will only work if organization is improved so people know who is not elegable to recieve votes.

End of rant.

[Diplo America]

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia
Ugh... ok i don't know which session is which apparently. All I know is I send in my vote, usually the hour before the next session, and I constantly see postings about how I haven't been voting.

If i sound annoyed, it is only because I am.

People are all up in arms about how not everone is voting, but apparently the votes are not making it through. I don't know if this plomp email is faulty, or if they are just not being regestered correctly or what.

I'm about two seconds away from posting a screenshot of my "sent items" from my plomp email.

As I said earlier, I do not collect the votes. The one and only source of information I have as to whether someone has voted or not is whether they post here and say they have voted. So don't get upset with me. Post here when you vote.

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia 1. No voting on past sessions. As ozzy pointed out, I didn't even know what session it was i didn't vote in. Now, I am suppose to vote on past sessions? Firstly, I don't know which story posts go with which session short of braking out a calender and compareing post dates to session date. Secondly, I doubt most people have the memory to accurately recall what happened in game last week, or two weeks ago. Voting needs to be restricted to the LAST SESSION PLAYED.

The calendar part has been done for you. I've included it in my who voted list. The dates listed by each session include the week following the session to include the dates when people are posting. The list:


For March 8-15: (session 6)

France - Voted
Ottomans -
Dutch - Voted
Inca - Voted
America - Voted
Carpathia - Voted?
Mali - Voted
Russia -
Mongolia - Voted

For March 15 - 22: (session 7)

France - Voted
Ottomans -
Dutch -
Inca -
America - Voted
Carpathia - Voted?
Mali -
Russia -
Mongolia -



For March 22 - 29: (session 8)

France -
Ottomans -
Dutch -
Inca -
America -
Carpathia -
Mali - Voted
Russia -
Mongolia -

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia 2. Better organization. There seems to be too many chiefs and not enough indians. IMO a seperate thread should be started that deals only with voting and is moderated/organized by ONE person. Perferably the one collecting the vote emails.

The one person collecting the vote e-mails is CS. He isn't playing in the game and has a lot on his plate now. So it isn't right to ask him to nag us on the votes when it isn't his game and he has other stuff to do. (Of course it'd be great if he did).

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia 3. Better player selection. I don't want to point fingers, yet I don't think i have to. Some players just simply do not post, and do not vote. I understand that real life can throw you a curveball (TRUST ME I KNOW), but I don't see any excuse for week after week of non-participation. If you can't at least make a small effort in this regard there is always Rah's Saturday night game. Now if real life issues are expected to be ongoing, thats fine, find a perm sub. When I see people consistantly show up for the 3 hour game however, yet can't find the 30 minutes out of the rest of the week to make a basic post, I have to wonder.

Ah, there's the rub.

No one is perfect. Even perfect people get busy or have changes in their lives, schedules and interest levels during the several month span of a typical diplogame. We just have to do our best.

I think though, you are right, that the people who consistently don't vote are the ones who don't post either. So they aren't really gonna get any votes anyhow, so it doesn't break the system too much.

[Diplo Carpathia]

Ok, I just reread through the last 20 or so posts in this thread to see if maybe I am crazy or stupid.

Nope, it is so confusing i have a headache. 3-4 different people yelling at others to vote for 2-3 different sessions. People posting charts on who voted when, only to be discredited by someone else. Etc, etc, etc...

I am DONE voting until this **** gets better organized by ONE person. I will still post stories for fun, but I am DONE voting.

[Diplo Carpathia]

So don't get upset with me. Post here when you vote.

I'm not upset with you personally. I am upset with the faulty system. I see it on Apolyton all the time. Instead of one person taking charge we try to please everyone and end up with a confused, complicated, and faulty system that only the most dedicated try to adhere to because it is such a pain in the a$$.

Posting in this thread as a way to tell who voted is dumb. Sorry. People can't even vote let alone vote and post that they voted. And if one or two people don't post? Then the entire tracking method is broken as it is now.

Like I said before, we need ONE person managing a SOLID AND SIMPLE system. What we have now is a clusterfuk IMO. If the person collecting the votes does not have time to share data regarding who voted, then we either should not attempt to track it, or find another vote collector. This is not in anyway ment as a dis toward CS or you Ozzy, but once again a criticism of the system.

And I totally disagree that people not posting or voting polices itself. Main reason being some (myself for instance) play for the fun of it, not to win. When a select few obvously can find the time to play, but not participate in the part of the game that makes it a diplogame, this detracts from the overall quality of the game.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

For the record, I always keep a copy of all my vote e-mails as I send them, so that I can go back and see which sessions I have and have not voted for.

Have you tried double checking the sent-box of your Plomp Mail account? It helped me enormously.

Aussie.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Oh and, just for the record, I am seeing a real improvement in the posting levels. Compared to HOTWXI, where only about 3 or 4 out of 11 people were regularly posting, in HOTWXII we have Mongolia, Netherlands, Mali, Carpathia, America, France and Ottomans posting at least 1 story a week-not to mention some pretty full-on public diplomacy. That's not bad out of a total of 9 players.
Indeed, in almost all respects I feel like this game is 100% better than XI, and I think it will get better with every iteration .

Aussie.

[Diplo Carpathia]

Compared to HOTWXI, where only about 3 or 4 out of 11 people were regularly posting

Good lord, I am glad I'm not in that game.

I can now clearly see why some of the setup threads for these games are invite only.

[Diplo America]

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Indeed, in almost all respects I feel like this game is 100% better than XI, and I think it will get better with every iteration .

Aussie.

Yea, I think this game is approaching the levels of HOTW 2, 4, 5, and 7.

[Diplo France]

Originally posted by Diplo Carpathia
Ok, I just reread through the last 20 or so posts in this thread to see if maybe I am crazy or stupid.

Nope, it is so confusing i have a headache. 3-4 different people yelling at others to vote for 2-3 different sessions. People posting charts on who voted when, only to be discredited by someone else. Etc, etc, etc...

I am DONE voting until this **** gets better organized by ONE person. I will still post stories for fun, but I am DONE voting.

I hate to compound as what you perceive as the issue, but just shut up and confirm you have voted on the two sessions so America can put the “?” away! If the votes didn’t make it send them again. If plomp is broken PM Cyber!



But if I’m serious I think we should just keep nagging the Ottomans, since they do post and are otherwise ok, if they could just take a few minutes and vote for the previous sessions.

Now everyone is late on voting for session 7 but that may not be a problem, as long as they vote by this weekend for both session 7 and 8, once we have those done there will be no voting for older sessions.

As to regards of confusion, America did post the dates of the sessions and I am gratefull for that since a big thing that stopped me voting was the fact that after being subbed for some time I didn’t know which session was which.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Oh and, just for the record, I am seeing a real improvement in the posting levels. Compared to HOTWXI, where only about 3 or 4 out of 11 people were regularly posting, in HOTWXII we have Mongolia, Netherlands, Mali, Carpathia, America, France and Ottomans posting at least 1 story a week-not to mention some pretty full-on public diplomacy. That's not bad out of a total of 9 players.
Indeed, in almost all respects I feel like this game is 100% better than XI, and I think it will get better with every iteration .

Aussie.

Yes, I've been reading the threads of HOTW11, HOTW 12 is light years ahead of it.

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
For the record, I always keep a copy of all my vote e-mails as I send them, so that I can go back and see which sessions I have and have not voted for.

Have you tried double checking the sent-box of your Plomp Mail account? It helped me enormously.

Aussie.

Yes, that is the simplest way to see if you have voted. Did you check it?

Originally posted by Diplo America


Yea, I think this game is approaching the levels of HOTW 2, 4, 5, and 7.

I and Toni have been saying that for a long time.

[Diplo Holland]

Hollande votes Sessions 1 to 9

All sessions to date have been voted on by Hollande.

Just sent a summary to diplo vote on plomp mail.

[Diplo Holland]

Originally posted by Diplo America The list:

For March 8-15: (session 6)

France - Voted
Ottomans -
Dutch - Voted
Inca - Voted
America - Voted
Carpathia - Voted?
Mali - Voted
Russia -
Mongolia - Voted

For March 15 - 22: (session 7)

France - Voted
Ottomans -
Dutch -
Inca -
America - Voted
Carpathia - Voted?
Mali -
Russia -
Mongolia -



For March 22 - 29: (session 8)

France -
Ottomans -
Dutch -
Inca -
America -
Carpathia -
Mali - Voted
Russia -
Mongolia -

I have us up to Session 9 (last session played on March 22/23: HOTW 12 Session 9 AD1330.CivBeyondSwordSave)