Diplogame Rules and Victory Discussion

[deity]

Also, with anonymity the OOC baggage is left behind so for HOTW12 I suggest no new rules.

It would be nice to get the mod that gets rid of the score board though OR an ozzy scoreboard mod!!

For HOTW10 I think Epic speed makes it so easy for everyone and that, coupled with anonymity, solves the issues really.

[LzPrst]

As Capo described, the main problem in my opinion is the group of 2-7 civs plan their research and trade it with eachother, the tech bloc. creating in fact not 10 civs with 10 different tech paths, but 3 blocs with 3 different tech paths, being so broad that there is in reality not much difference between them. forcing people into the long-term alliances. as I've said, they change, but only by sheer annoyance and boredom it seems.

Perhaps Pinchak's suggestion is by far the easiest. You may only trade away tech 10 times total during the whole game. Everyone can count to 10. It would reduce tech blocs, and trading drastically without killing diplomacy or require excessive bookkeeping.

it would have to be trust based, but we are all honorable men, though sometimes somewhat distracted...

[deity]

I'd live with that lz - 10 trades, that's it, no other rules...

[Pinchak]

Just for the record though, I think the second option (can only trade tech with another specific civ X times) would actually do more to promote alliances changing. People would have to make tough choices once their limit was reached with a particular civ.

With the flat "can only trade X times" two or more civs could still form a short term tech block to gain a "tech surge" so to speak, then ride out their lead as a permanent alliance with regards to resources and warfare. What indeed is the advantage of "speading the love around" so to speak?

Both options would probably help break tech blocks, but I see the second option almost forcing alliances to break, and at the same time promoting non-alliance making, since then you could trade X times with each and every player, without isolating civs.

Oddly enough, the second option might produce an artifical "friendlyness" as everyone would want to make sure to trade with eveyone up to their limit.

God, I play devils advocate so much I argue my own suggestions!

[OzzyKP]

My suggestion is to try turning tech trading off altogether and instead use some of the tech leak mods that I listed in the other thread.

[LzPrst]

I think maybe ozzy's suggestion has some merit, but I cant seem to find the link to the mod you mentioned...

[Robert]

I'd willing to give Ozzy's "no tech trade" a go.
I don't like the idea to use the tech-leak mod.

But maybe you can convince me by explaning a bit more what this mod is about. (I know it gives science beakers for techs already known by civs you have trade routes with)

[Pinchak]

The mod sounds interesting... but i too have no idea what it does.

I would however be against disabling tech trade altogether, as this once again would be taking an important part of diplomacy out of the format.

[OzzyKP]

Haha, I guess I thought too highly of you guys to think that you'd be able to find the thread I just bumped called "Diplogame Mod Ideas" without needing a direct link. But I guess I'll save you guys yet another step (since you all seem to be oh so easily confused ) and repost (again) the tech mod links:

Ok, here is the tech conquest mod from TheLopez that Aussie bundled in:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171748

TheLopez' resource tech mod:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=180594

And this may be the tech leak mod (this isn't done by Sevo, but by AltarisGreyhawk:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4262410

And here is an interesting mod by naf4ever that gives a boost to research for techs civs you have an open border with have already researched:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=165519

All are very interesting ideas.

[Robert]

We're on the internet
If you want us to read something, link us to it

[arvcran]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Passwords don't work anyway.
If the game continues 1 turn with AI controll, the password of that civ is gone.

Regarding city razing: we should just turn that off.

It is too bad there cannot be a graded allowance for razing cities say x turns old or y turns in size.

[arvcran]

Originally posted by deity


That's the same as when I tried to add a password mid-session - it was gone.

BUT I think if you create passwords when setting up the game I'm sure they work fine.

Mine myteriously disappeared - I have no Idea why!

Based on my experience with HOWTWXI - there have been many player absences - having passworded CIVS would be a problem I think.

[LzPrst]

I believe we did play a no-tech trades game once...

it wasnt overly successful. the civs that fell behind tended to stay behind, iirc.

either a mod or some form or constraint on the number of tech trades.

[OzzyKP]

Well when I say turn off tech trade, I mean you'd replace it with a tech leak or tech conquest type mod so hopefully civs don't fall behind, but the game isn't ruined from tech trading.

[LzPrst]

not ruined by tech trading per se, but by the necessity of tech bloc'ing. which makes long-term alliances a permanent necessity instead of a temporary arrangement. which is not very realistic and even less dynamic/fun.

imo.

the problem is keeping tech trading in, without it leading to tech blocs...