A great big hello from a long time lurker

[Brael]

What would you do about state property? Later in the game as the surviving civs get better empires other civs tend to switch to it. I've also found several that switch in response to a flood of executives.

And corporations remain active during war, you just can't spread it yourself.

[wodan11]

I definitely give Norselord credit for thinking. This is tops.

Give it a try! Let us know how it works.

[Norselord]

What would you do about state property? Later in the game as the surviving civs get better empires other civs tend to switch to it. I've also found several that switch in response to a flood of executives.

And corporations remain active during war, you just can't spread it yourself.

Note that i am proposing a high espionage rate. The use for spies is to irritate the economic enemies by forcing them into different civics and also to destroy improvements that give the bennies of corps. Spies can be used to undermine economies and also to aid wars by denying resources, switching religions, and undermining production.

[Brael]

Espionage is a weak part of my game, I didn't even know you could use it like that to influence civics. The question then would be, what civic would you force? Enviromentalism with a low corporation spread in your own cities? I could see that as being a mean combination.

[Norselord]

I definitely give Norselord credit for thinking. This is tops.

Give it a try! Let us know how it works.

I'll give it a shot tonight. Although the HD-Sattelite Dish got installed this morning...might be a little distracted.

I'll probably run a couple at lower levels and gradually move up as i refine the first few hundred turns.

Use Suleiman for the GP and GG?

[Norselord]

Espionage is a weak part of my game, I didn't even know you could use it like that to influence civics. The question then would be, what civic would you force? Enviromentalism with a low corporation spread in your own cities? I could see that as being a mean combination.

You can use it to fall in line with your own to improve diplomacy (you have wisely chosen your civics) or you can use it to drive a diplomatic wedge between two civs by forcing conflicting civics.

You can do nasty things like force Isabella into a different religion, or out of a religious civic.

Espionage can be very powerful. The key is the ratio of your ESP points and your opponents. If yours is high you can twist them all around. One way to keep the ration high, is to keep their total low. How do you do that? keep them at constant war and undermine their economy.

Keep in mind that when you force an opponent into a different civic/religion they are free to change it back after 10 turns. Also, if they are not spiritual you I think that you DO force anarchy for a turn or two (depending on speed).

[Brael]

Interesting, and Suleiman sounds good for it (or any other SE based approach to a GG game).

I also need to revise my idea for the Paya. Nationhood would be a solid civic with this approach. Since Nationalism comes from Philosophy and Civil Service, I don't see the Paya really giving a benefit early enough to be worth it.

[Norselord]

Espionage is a weak part of my game, I didn't even know you could use it like that to influence civics. The question then would be, what civic would you force? Enviromentalism with a low corporation spread in your own cities? I could see that as being a mean combination.

What about forcing your warring enemy into pacifism?

[Brael]

That would certainly be useful as well. But if I understand you right, the aim would be to use spies to subvert x% of civs while using war to bring the remainder down? Would you really have the spare EP to hit the warring civs as well? Not to mention, slowing down their units like pacifism would, also slows down your GG points.

Maybe I'm just biased towards enviromentalism. I usually consider it to be a horrible civic so the thought of being able to use it as a weapon against other civs using a combination of executives and spies is rather appealing.

[Norselord]

That would certainly be useful as well. But if I understand you right, the aim would be to use spies to subvert x% of civs while using war to bring the remainder down? Would you really have the spare EP to hit the warring civs as well? Not to mention, slowing down their units like pacifism would, also slows down your GG points.

Maybe I'm just biased towards enviromentalism. I usually consider it to be a horrible civic so the thought of being able to use it as a weapon against other civs using a combination of executives and spies is rather appealing.

IIRC your espionage mission cost is dependent on the ratio of EPs between you and your victim. You don't need tons, if your opponent has little. Besides, you are running SE+GG, meaning you won't be pumping out tons of military guys, your ESP slider will be up high.

The idea is to have cycling wars with some civs throughout the game, and you stifle the peaceful ones with espionage and corporate sponsored economic suppression. At the same time espionage can be used to incite wars by creating enemies due to forced civic/religion changes. Your tech advantage can be used as an incentive for AI v. AI DOW.

Again, think of yourself as the puppet master. Your goal is to create maximum chaos and disorder amongst the other civs while staying highly efficient and sneaky.

The elegance of this proposed strategy is to use non-standard units for full advantage, while using an efficient number of units.

The American way: Spies, great generals, and executives.

[Theben]

Being Spiritual or better, having the Super Jesus wonder will go a long way towards messing with others civics. Switch to Paganism or Barbarism for 1 turn, force civic change, and switch back ASAP. Although they don't get anarchy for the forced switch, they'll suffer the lower civic for awhile and then suffer anarchy when they switch back.

[oppressed]

Thanks... especially for removing much of the crap he and his DL's posted. Much appreciated.



As Wodan points out, the game situation does change as it develops. It's key to understand what those changes mean, and to plan accordingly to maximize the results.

im going to take senethro's advice and leave this "dying website", civfanatics is much better, no favoritism there.

as far as ming and his brother rah go, picking on and trolling and provoking people is rather a show of your insecurities of yourselves, your nothing but bullies with no life which is why you have made an internet website your life and home. i guess even the former owners here can get away with being hypocrites just by calling on a special favor from that piece of **** mr robert poop.

as my last words go before they are erased by mr poop, ming your a douchebag and a coward, id wish you'd talk to me in person the way you did online but i know you wont, thats what cowards do, they also feel the need to manipulate everything they see fit to get their way.

you can go ahead and reply to this but i wont ever be coming back here, nothing worse then a bias website that practices favoritism.

sorry to the people who were nice to me and i was nice to them, this post isnt meant for them and for those of you who were respectful to me, thank you. i now see what senethro was talking about and dont wish to waste my time on a website that doesnt matter.

btw, if you ming or your bro rah ever grow some testicles come over to new ulm, mn and we can hammer out our differences, pieces of **** like you deserve a good pounding. leave a date and time at brandonjm8@yahoo.com with details and i'll be there to show you my resolve. peace *****es.

sorry everyone but in my exp's here and opinion, its not worth being here and jumping through mr poops ever changing rules which if you read them are very vague and open to interpretation and not a defined set of rules, very easily manipulated and/or one-sided.

[Ming]

im going to take senethro's advice and leave this "dying website", civfanatics is much better, no favoritism there.

If you post over there like you did here, you won't last very long over there either.

Enjoy.

[Theben]

I have to wonder if he wasn't from CFC in the 1st place, just trolling to get his jollies.

And CFC has much stricter moderation.

[Dinner]

Thought I would drop a line here and say hello. Stratti is the name. Long time Civ player from the days of lightbulbs. Great site and community. I have lurked for a while generally on the train to and from work on my phone. Some of the threads have proved very .... entertaining.

Welcome to the community. Things might have slowed down a bit since they haven't released a decent new civ title in a while but this is still the best Civ forum for discussion and what not.