Bugs thread - 3.13

[wodan11]

Bhruic's patch fixes that, jbp

Wodan

[joncnunn]

The Map Generator often places resources that can't be worked by any city.

One common example is the sea resources which only intercepts fat X of land at a mountain peak. (In this case, on the 40% expansion from the closest legal city site you can get the resource itself)

And in my previous game it placed a Mountain Peak on a single tile choke point and Silver + one other tile on that side of it. On the other coast was a sea food resource.
If you picked a city site that worked that sea food evenually you could also work the Silver but couldn't connect it.

While if you picked a city site that connected the Silver then you couldn't place one that would work the seafood and more over it would be on the 80% expansion from the closest possible then legal city site.

Now if you want to see an even more annoying resource pattern, try the Final Frontier mod. On a normal size map and average everything, on average the resources are at the 80% influence (cultural) expansion mark from planets. For every resource that's merely at the 60% level there's another at 100%.

Originally posted by snoopy369
There's an island, so it's a valid location for the fish. It's possible to mod the game to permit landing on a mountain

[snoopy369]

That's intentional; you're supposed to be using starbases to pick them up. The cities themselves aren't supposed to have much in the way of resources in them.

[Tattila the Hun]

See what the problem here is? I mean, the fact, that the game considers a city I've founded, with 100% my culture, to somehow rightfully belong to someone else, but that I haven't even met that someone yet... Yeesh.

[Jaybe]

But didn't you always want to meet Asoka?
All colonies have a penchant for independence/liberation. Obviously, there isn't a "have we met yet" check for liberation.

[Adagio]

Shaka is being a bit weird in my current game, could someone explain the insanity?

The situation: Shaka is at war with two of my enemies and he's behind in tech. I decided I wanted to be friendly to him by offering him feudalism (so he could build Longbowmen), but in diplomacy screen it's red (Respone: We would have nothing to gain)... sure, he's only ten turns away from researching it himself, but he could at least wait to say no until he hears my offer... right?

[Adagio]

And why is it that there's no leader of the Apostolic palace in my game?

It was built in 860 AD, Caesar was elected as leader, about 100 years later I conquered the last of Caesars cities. Now 500 years later we still have no leader

[joncnunn]

On AI not willing to buy a tech; in my exprence that only happens when you have the advanced option "No Tech Brokering" on and in addition, the AI already has >X% of beakers invested in reseraching it. (I don't know the exact number).

Bascially they aren't interested because even if you gave it for free, they couldn't resell it, and the value they are calucating it's resell revalue at exceeds how many science beakers they have already invested.

On no leader of the AP, does it still exist or was that city raized to the ground during the conquest?

Assuming though that city still exists and you own it, perhaps the other civs with that religion present in a lot of their cities are running Free Religion (or a different state religion) and so aren't eligibile to be the AP resident while they don't like you and so are voting to abstain rather than elect you.

[joncnunn]

I often experenced crash to desktop during the actual CD-check with BTS 3.13. It was usually proceeded by an awful lot of searching on the DVD R/RW drive including noises at various pitches.

I did find an unoffical workaround, but Firaxis or Take 2 might want to fix whatever it is during the CD-check is causing that crash. As a programmer by trade, I think there's some line or block of code in there that isn't catching an unexpected exception and it's escalating to the app-crash exit to desktop with report to microsoft dialog box.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by joncnunn
On AI not willing to buy a tech; in my exprence that only happens when you have the advanced option "No Tech Brokering" on and in addition, the AI already has >X% of beakers invested in reseraching it. (I don't know the exact number).

Bascially they aren't interested because even if you gave it for free, they couldn't resell it, and the value they are calucating it's resell revalue at exceeds how many science beakers they have already invested.

That could be it, but in this case it would still be a bad deal for them to not accept it. They only knew about 6 civs and half of them are at war war them (and most of the other civs had that tech)

Originally posted by joncnunn
On no leader of the AP, does it still exist or was that city raized to the ground during the conquest?

Assuming though that city still exists and you own it, perhaps the other civs with that religion present in a lot of their cities are running Free Religion (or a different state religion) and so aren't eligibile to be the AP resident while they don't like you and so are voting to abstain rather than elect you.

The city still exists and all known civs (well, at the time of my last post) had the same religion as the AP (Free Religion wasn't invented and there was only one religion on this continent)
~30 turns after I posted the msg there was a re-election, but that's still way too long (when the leader gets taken out, the re-election should happen within 3 turns IMHO)

[joncnunn]

I think it's functioning normally then; there's currently just no check to call an early election if the leader dies.
(There normally is a long time between elections of AP palace resident.)

Originally posted by Adagio

The city still exists and all known civs (well, at the time of my last post) had the same religion as the AP (Free Religion wasn't invented and there was only one religion on this continent)
~30 turns after I posted the msg there was a re-election, but that's still way too long (when the leader gets taken out, the re-election should happen within 3 turns IMHO)

[Adagio]

Originally posted by joncnunn
I think it's functioning normally then; there's currently just no check to call an early election if the leader dies.

But I'd still call that a bug. Doesn't sound like a design decision, more like a "woops, forgot about that... sorry"

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by Adagio


But I'd still call that a bug. Doesn't sound like a design decision, more like a "woops, forgot about that... sorry"

[wodan11]

Supr49er, are you bored, or are you intentionally going around here and CFC today doing thread necromancy?

Wodan

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by wodan11
Supr49er, are you bored, or are you intentionally going around here and CFC today doing thread necromancy?

Wodan

Quite bored, thanks.