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  • If not Meiji, then Oda Nobunaga would be a good pick for Japan
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    • Yoritomo or Nobunaga works for me as well. IMHO, we just need a Japanese leader who can actually help Japan lead a game.

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      • Originally posted by Virdrago
        Yoritomo or Nobunaga works for me as well. IMHO, we just need a Japanese leader who can actually help Japan lead a game.
        Yeah. I like either Minamoto Yoritomo or Oda Nobunaga, as either would be a strong, capable leader.
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        • Originally posted by proviisori


          As it was said earlier, it is illegal to depict Japanese emperors in games in Japan.

          so.. no Meiji
          You're kidding me, right?

          God, there are too many crazy people in the world.

          I hope Firaxis adds Meiji, Muhammad and Hitler in the expansion after that.
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          • Why exactly can you not depict Japanese emperors? I mean, Japan is a modern nation!
            and why can Tokugawa be depicted though?
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            • Tokugawa was not an emperor... he was a shogun / bakufu.

              Emperors are believed to be divine and thus depicting them would be dishonourable.

              Japan is a very modern nation, but is also has strong traditions and old customs. And those traditions are very different from western ones even though the huge tecnological advancements.
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              • Does Civ4 have a large market in Japan anyway?
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                • It is only one leader. It think it is not worth to exclude that many potential customers because of that.
                  I don't think Firaxis / Take2 would gain as many buyers with Meiji in as they would lose by not publishing the game in Japan.
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                  • Originally posted by proviisori
                    It is only one leader. It think it is not worth to exclude that many potential customers because of that.
                    I don't think Firaxis / Take2 would gain as many buyers with Meiji in as they would lose by not publishing the game in Japan.
                    Correct. But depicting A Shogun, Daimyo, or Warlord is not illegal, hence the inclusion of Tokugawa Ieyasu. And why it would be easy to include Oda Nobunaga or Minamoto Yoritomo.
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                    • Originally posted by Will9


                      The Celts and England are already in.
                      England ain't Scotland. It isn't even Britain.

                      Celts is as inclusive a word as Africans. Not very applicable.

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                      • Originally posted by Senethro


                        England ain't Scotland. It isn't even Britain.


                        Two of England's leaders were histically British leaders. Which Britain was founded by a Scotish king. So two of England's leaders were historically leaders of country founded by a Scot.

                        Celts is as inclusive a word as Africans. Not very applicable.


                        Africa has a large varity of of cutures, languages, and religons. Celts all followed a similar religon, spoke a similar religon, and common culture.
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                        • Originally posted by Will9

                          Celts is as inclusive a word as Africans. Not very applicable.


                          Africa has a large varity of of cutures, languages, and religons. Celts all followed a similar religon, spoke a similar religon, and common culture.
                          And as it stands, as of Warlords the Celts in the game are more specifically Gauls.
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                          • Originally posted by dregor


                            Canada's in!
                            Could you imagine the Leaders?

                            You could choose from Victoria or Elizabeth II!

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