New Civs for BtS

[Virdrago]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Harappans, but I don''t think it will happen.

Having two leaders, but one "pan-Native American" civ to me is just wrong. It's like sticking the Portuguese and Spanish together, and calling them the Iberians, or having a Southwest Asian civ, with Vietnamese, Khmer, Javan, Burmese, and Siamese cities all lumped in. The Iroquois and Sioux are not the same; another analogy is lumping the English, Irish, Scots, and Welsh together into a "British" civ.

Assuming, then, that the ten new civs will have one leader, who among the old civs need another one?

We know Washington is coming back.
I think the Greeks (Pericles) and the Japanese (Meiji) need another look.

Others: I'd like to also see Suleiman for the Ottomans, and another Spanish leader (Isabella's religious zeal usually means she doesn't do too well). I can't think of another Aztec leader offhand, but Monty is a little too insane (and predictable). OTOH, India could use a third, more warlike leader. I'm certain LordShiva can think of someone.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Virdrago
I wouldn't mind seeing the Harappans, but I don''t think it will happen.

I don't think it'll ever happen. They're too much like India, and we can't read their writing so we don't know any of their leaders' names. We don't even have a proper civ name. We call them "Harappans" after one of their sites. The Mesopotamians called the Harappan civ "Meluhha" (with a good kh noise at that double-h) but there's no telling if that's what they called themselves.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Virdrago
and another Spanish leader (Isabella's religious zeal usually means she doesn't do too well). I can't think of another Aztec leader offhand, but Monty is a little too insane (and predictable). OTOH, India could use a third, more warlike leader. I'm certain LordShiva can think of someone.

If I were the one making the decisions, I'd say El Cid for Spain, Cuauhtemoc for the Aztecs, and Akbar the Great for India. But it's not my call.

[Thedrin]

Virdrago:
Having two leaders, but one "pan-Native American" civ to me is just wrong. It's like sticking the Portuguese and Spanish together, and calling them the Iberians, or having a Southwest Asian civ, with Vietnamese, Khmer, Javan, Burmese, and Siamese cities all lumped in. The Iroquois and Sioux are not the same; another analogy is lumping the English, Irish, Scots, and Welsh together into a "British" civ.

Another analogy could be the Celts.

another Spanish leader (Isabella's religious zeal usually means she doesn't do too well).

Alexander I:
If I were the one making the decisions, I'd say El Cid for Spain,

I'd like to see Austria in the game. I read a great idea over at the other place; include Charles V among the new leaders but let him be a leader for both Spain and Austria (not at the same time).

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Thedrin

I'd like to see Austria in the game. I read a great idea over at the other place; include Charles V among the new leaders but let him be a leader for both Spain and Austria (not at the same time).

They tried including him in C3C. That didn't end too well...

[Xorbon]

If they ever did include the Harrappans (though I don't ever expect it), they'd just call them the Harrappans or Dravidians because that's what people know them as. We have the Persians despite the fact that they call themselves something different. You are right about leader names though. And you could say the same thing about city names.

[proviisori]

Originally posted by Virdrago

I think the Greeks (Pericles) and the Japanese (Meiji) need another look.

As it was said earlier, it is illegal to depict Japanese emperors in games in Japan.

so.. no Meiji

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by proviisori


As it was said earlier, it is illegal to depict Japanese emperors in games in Japan.

so.. no Meiji

Indeed. Since Emperors are out the question (disqualifying the likes of Meiji and Hirohito), it would have to be another Shogun.

My pick would have to be Minamoto Yoritomo. His AI could be a little less xenophobic and hostile than Tokugawa Ieyasu currently is in Civ4.

[proviisori]

or... one of the prime ministers?

[Thedrin]

No expert on Japanease history but I've heard it said that Meiji was the theoretical power but someone else was leading. Equivalent to Bismarck leading Prussia/Germany despite not being the Kaiser. True or False?

[proviisori]

hmm.... Ōkubo Toshimichi would be good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okubo_Toshimichi

[Xorbon]

Or how about including Meiji in the expansion, but taking him out of the Japanese version?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Xorbon
Or how about including Meiji in the expansion, but taking him out of the Japanese version?

Too much effort to make two leaderheads. They might as well just make one that's acceptable for both.

[Scylvendi]

Originally posted by Martinus
Reposting from the other thread:

Other thread? Don't you mean reposting from the other site?

[Thedrin]

The other thread's at the top of the page.