Civ is dead (or reminiscing on the past)

[padillah]

Oh, BTW I finally went and saw the video... I was holding my side trying to keep from laughing too hard. My workplace is cool but there's a limit too.



Tom P.

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by yin26
Hey Hex: Long time no see/read! So work has been the reason, eh? Well, my best to you, and I hope this is beginning of more posts from you.

4 weeks without any gaming so far...

I'm up at 3 AM every day, so it's been hard to get motivated to play. And I have been spending any free time that I do have on my current hobby (photography)

Eventally I will get back into it though.

[Dis]

Civ might be dead. As I'm not sure what can be done after civ4.

[Shogun Gunner]

Probably stated after every version of civ released! At a minimum, graphics can always be improved.

There are even folks putting together a "wish list" for Civ 5!!! yes, it's a bit early!

[Jeje2]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
At a minimum, graphics can always be improved.

Why? Is Civ played for it's graphics?

There are even folks putting together a "wish list" for Civ 5!!! yes, it's a bit early!

My wish list: Keep it simple stupid
(This way one can try to make a good AI that doesn't need to cheat in every corener.)

[DrSpike]

Maybe Civ5 will be to Civ3 as Civ4 is to Civ2.

[Solver]

I think that, after Civ3, it was quite obvious to large parts of the community how to improve the game in the next release.

With a hypothetical Civ5, it's harder. You'd obviously want to preserve all the cool stuff from Civ4, while adding more, and yet changing enough so that it's indeed a new game and not an expansion released 5 years later.

Then again, it should be viewed as a positive thing. Civ4 set a very high bar for other strategy games to match now, what's so bad about that?

[DrSpike]

It's not bad, it's just harder to raise it further.

It took almost 10 years to build on Civ2 effectively.

[Solver]

Less if you count SMAC or CtP, which were all an improvement. And I can tell you to shut up your CtP trolls preemeptively .

Just had a thought, it's now well over a year since I've only played Civ4, of Civ games. Quite an achievement. Previously, I would maybe play one of the games more, but still fire up others once in a while. CtP2 was my most played one for a while, but I'd still play a game of SMAC, CtP1 or Civ1 in a while. Now, nothing but Civ4 for over a year.

[padillah]

I think the biggest leap they could make is the one that is, for the forseeable future, impossible: AI.

There are gameplay mechanics that can be refined and bugs to get rid of but to "make a change" it's gonna have to be the AI or a different game.

I hope this is viewed in a positive light, I'm esentially saying I can't see anything that so sorely lacking that it warrents a new game. Civ IV is pretty good as is. The rest can be fixed with mods or patches or what-not.

The other Civ games needed a new game to distance themselves from the old. Civ IV doesn't need that... unless they make a new, different game.

Tom P.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Solver
Less if you count SMAC or CtP, which were all an improvement. And I can tell you to shut up your CtP trolls preemeptively .

SMAC was a minor improvement over the mechanics, with basically exactly the same game underneath it. CTP was a step backwards, of course. So 10 years is about right.

[Solver]

SMAC improved enough for mechanics. The combat model was better than Civ2, Social Engineering was far better, and SMAC had all of this uber-cool atmosphere and story. Of course, in the end, the SMAC AI was as pathetic as that of Civ2, so no real improvement there.

And I wouldn't expect you to get CtP . It was a somewhat different take on the game, not really a step backwards or forwards.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Solver
It (CTP) was a somewhat different take on the game.

It sure was different. The earlier games were good.

[Solver]

See, you're just a regular troll .

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Solver
Less if you count SMAC or CtP, which were all an improvement. And I can tell you to shut up your CtP trolls preemeptively .

How was CtP an improvement over Civ2 if Civ3 wasn't?