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[padillah]

Originally posted by Nubianmercenary
Well show me some statistical data that rated the Zulus as "the worst civ in civ3". Cmon, I am waiting Louis...

NubianMercenary

Show us ANY statistics regarding civ. Any at all. Other than sales I don't believe there are any.

It's all opinion and playstyle. If you win with the Zulus, good on ya mate.

Tom P.

[Louis XXIV]

Originally posted by Nubianmercenary
Well show me some statistical data that rated the Zulus as "the worst civ in civ3". Cmon, I am waiting Louis...




NubianMercenary

For starters, I said "among the worst". I'd have to think for a moment to see if its the worst.

I can give you plenty of anecdotal data, but statistical data is harder. I could just do a poll and see what the results are, but its not exactly scientifically done.

[thyrwyn]

Julius got Imperialistic and Organized. Good for expansion. Augustus got Creative and Organized. Also good for expansion, though in different way

Also, note that they have reduced the xp bonus from barracks - they now only give +3 xp (probably to prevent Charismatic leader's from generating 2 advance troops out of the block).

Also, Also note that they have introduced the Stable (available with Horseback Riding) which gives +2 xp to mounted troops built in the city. I do not know if you need to have a barracks in order to build a Stable. It does appear that Aggressive leaders will get the production bonus to build Stables. The Mongolian Ger replaces the Stable and gives +4 xp.

[Qwertqwert]

Originally posted by Nubianmercenary
Well show me some statistical data that rated the Zulus as "the worst civ in civ3". Cmon, I am waiting Louis...




NubianMercenary

Here:

97% of all people who play civ3 say Zulu is the worst. But I refuse to give you the source of this information.

[Nubianmercenary]

:People, people. All I am saying is if you "dis" a civilization please have the data to back it up, as usually personal opinions only form part of a broader perspective on how the zulu - and for any civilization actually are regarded as being playable or not.
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: To Louis, I am however sorry that I misunderstood your quote.
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:Secondly. I would very much appreciate it if you would certainly paste some "poll" type data somewhere on this forum regarding the zulu civilization as "among the worst" civilization.
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Thank you for your reply Louis.
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:As for you Qwertqwert. Please reframe from slapping about unreasonable daticial percentages e.g "97%".
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:What you are saying is that 97% percent of every if not all 100% that have played civ3 as a whole, regard the Zulu as "the worst civ in civ3". This seems a little far-fetched, as that many a time I have met players who have never even tried thier hand at playing the zulu in civ3.
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:Furthermore, if you by any chance have statistical data, yet "...refuse to give the source of this information" to me, I believe that you shouldnt of replyd in the first place, since you are not willing to "back" your opinion of "97%" of players not liking the zulu civilization in civ 3.
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:Once again, thank you for your replys. More would be welcomed.



NubianMercenary

[Qwertqwert]

Originally posted by Nubianmercenary
:People, people. All I am saying is if you "dis" a civilization please have the data to back it up, as usually personal opinions only form part of a broader perspective on how the zulu - and for any civilization actually are regarded as being playable or not.
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: To Louis, I am however sorry that I misunderstood your quote.
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:Secondly. I would very much appreciate it if you would certainly paste some "poll" type data somewhere on this forum regarding the zulu civilization as "among the worst" civilization.
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Thank you for your reply Louis.
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:As for you Qwertqwert. Please reframe from slapping about unreasonable daticial percentages e.g "97%".
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:What you are saying is that 97% percent of every if not all 100% that have played civ3 as a whole, regard the Zulu as "the worst civ in civ3". This seems a little far-fetched, as that many a time I have met players who have never even tried thier hand at playing the zulu in civ3.
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:Furthermore, if you by any chance have statistical data, yet "...refuse to give the source of this information" to me, I believe that you shouldnt of replyd in the first place, since you are not willing to "back" your opinion of "97%" of players not liking the zulu civilization in civ 3.
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:Once again, thank you for your replys. More would be welcomed.



NubianMercenary

Settle down, I thought it was clear it was a joke. I simply made up a number. 97% sounds better then 98, 99, and 100%. There might be a poll what is the best, or what is the worst civilization in the Civ3 forum.

[Louis XXIV]

Originally posted by Nubianmercenary

: To Louis, I am however sorry that I misunderstood your quote.
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:Secondly. I would very much appreciate it if you would certainly paste some "poll" type data somewhere on this forum regarding the zulu civilization as "among the worst" civilization.
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Thank you for your reply Louis.

I never really tried to rate the civs (I tend to like Egypt and C3C's Celts, though). Most of my opinions of which are considered the best and worst civs are based on a lot of comments people have made in the three years I've been at Apolyton, CFC, CDG, etc. Its completely annecdotal, not statistical or scientific (its like saying "I heard a story about a college preventing a student from enrolling because, after being accepted, they failed all their classes." It proves it happened, but, unless I take a simple random sample of every single application (at least the ones where a student's GPA dropped) and check the percentage of those who had their acceptance taken back, I can't show that it is the college's policy. But it is based on three years of experience, not my personal opinion.

BTW, I just got my score back for AP Statistics. After thinking I would probably score a two (maybe a three if I was lucky) I got a four, so I'm thrilled (does it show? ).

I could post a poll if you want, but it wouldn't be a scientific poll either. First off, its biased based on the fact that it isn't random. Second, its biased because its so long after civ3 came out (experienced players have moved on and might not check civ3 forums). But, if it makes you happy, I will post two polls (one here, one at CFC) and see what the results will be. I would be thrilled if the Zulu are even in the top half of civs.

EDIT: There are only 24 options here and 20 at CFC and its 12:10 here, so I'll deal with this tomorrow

[Nubianmercenary]

ear Qwertqwert, I have decided not to reply furthermore to your replies.
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:Thank you for your constant replies though.
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:To Louis XXIV, I would very much like what you have suggested. I will keep on checking both polls later this week.
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:P.S: I also like the Celts on civ3.



NubianMercenary

[Louis XXIV]

Apolyton's Civ3 section is a ghost town...

[Nubianmercenary]

: Yeah I noticed that too, really sad though. Looks like civ3 is only a mere word inside the minds of civ4 players world wide.
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:And if you think civ3 apolyton section is a ghost town, you should try playing civ3 on multiplayer.



NubianMercenary

[padillah]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV

I could post a poll if you want, but it wouldn't be a scientific poll either. First off, its biased based on the fact that it isn't random. Second, its biased because its so long after civ3 came out (experienced players have moved on and might not check civ3 forums). But, if it makes you happy, I will post two polls (one here, one at CFC) and see what the results will be. I would be thrilled if the Zulu are even in the top half of civs.

EDIT: There are only 24 options here and 20 at CFC and its 12:10 here, so I'll deal with this tomorrow

I've already run into this particular problem. If you'd like to consolidate polls there's already one out there for the "best" civ leader ( http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=153064 )

Maybe you can use this to help refine your poll.

I also find polls asking for the "best" are easier to form and reply to. The "worst" is rather negative and no one likes to be seen throwing stones.

Tom P.

[Louis XXIV]

I decided to ask for best (the plan is to make a final poll with the top vote getters of both polls). But, if I don't get more votes at Apolyton, I'll have to rely only on the CFC votes (there's a decent number over there).

[Louis XXIV]

Here are the first two round threads at CFC

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=177727

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=177728

Out of all the votes, the Zulu recieved the least (the Aztecs, India, and Inca also recieved low votes).

There is still a final round to determine the one people like the best, so please vote

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=178121

BTW, I don't know if I would necessarily consider the Zulu the very worst civ, it just ended up voting that way.

[Nubianmercenary]

: Isn't funny? That out of all this voting the Zulu recieved the least votes? Better yet, I suppose when Civ4 warlords arrive the Zulu would most likely be "spat-on", with a label like "not-worth-selecting".
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:For what has been voted, I still voted for them, and I still believe that they are an excellent civilization to learn with.
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:BTW, I just dont care who is right or wrong, you want the "right" to be "right"? Then take it. Ill just stick to my opinions and you can just stick to yours.


NubianMercenary

[Louis XXIV]

That's fine with me.

I hope the Zulu will be great in Civ4, btw