What do Jewish Missionarys say?

[Son of David]

Guys, it looks like you're just going to have to 'Ask the Rabbi'.

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/ask_the_rabbi/index.htm

[Ari]

I'm Jewish and am fairly observant and *still* have no idea what the Jewish missionary is saying. Frankly, I always thought it sounded like something out of 'Fiddler on the Roof' . As far as I can tell, though, it's not Hebrew. I'm a far cry from fluent, but I'm pretty sure I'd recognize spoken Hebrew if that's what it was.

[AnaNg]

I'm Jewish *and* a native Hebrew speaker and it still sounds like complete gibberish to me.

[Hayek]

If not Hebrew, might it be Yiddish perhaps?

Or 'worse', they could have dug up some Aramaic......, in which case we'll probably never going to find out what they say

[Tsar_of_Cows]

At a wild guess I'd say that they are almost certainly gibberish, designed to sound good and vaguely convincing to the untrained ear.

Thats what they usually are as it is safest for the developer to do so.

Religeous toes are exceedingly sensitive, and when trodden on, lead to very loud protests.

[Gryffone]

If it is Aramaic perhaps Mel Gibson could help with the translation.

I thought the Jewish Chant sounded like it was from a Military Fraternity.

[Overcast32]

What I find kinda funny about Civ 4 is that they put in the jewish religion, but yet - you cannot play Israeli!!

I think an Israeli faction would be very cool.

[Son of David]

Originally posted by Overcast32
What I find kinda funny about Civ 4 is that they put in the jewish religion, but yet - you cannot play Israeli!!

I think an Israeli faction would be very cool.

It doesn't look like it will happen for Civ4.

In fact I can't remember any historical or civilization/empire-building game that allowed you to play with ancient Israel.


That's even more annoying because we've had more or less the same old civs to play with since Civ1. It gets boring playing with Egypt, England, Zulus and Babylonians all the time.

[Gryffone]

An Israeli Civilization with King Solomon and/or King David as a Leader. Now that would be cool. Even yet, you could have Yahshua (Jesus) as a leader yet that would probably cause some problems. I guess though the Christianity religion is supposed to represent his influence on Civ's even though many of the Civ's have used Christianity as a means to wage war rather than the original intent by the master which was to influence through peace. A Buddha leader would also be interesting. I guess you couldn't use Muhammad since his image could not be displayed. I guess that there is just too much controversy to use historical religious leaders even as Great Persons.

[Son of David]

I also think that many Americans (with all respect) only look upon Israeli history as a precursor, as prelude to the coming of their 'Christ'.

So this view of ancient Israel as being merely a build-up for the advent of Christianity probably prevents taking Israel seriously as a political and historical entity. For shame! as Shakespeare used to say.

[Zoolooman]

Originally posted by To_Serve_Man In fact, i'm not sure it is even chanting... it sorta sounds like it could be a type of organ

It's throat singing alright, but not the type you'd normally hear. It's temple-singing. A chorus of throat singers stand in a room with acoustics similar to your bathroom shower and sing as loud as possible. The temple room smooths out the raw sounds and the pure tone rises to prominence like an eagle over a mountain. It's beautiful, isn't it?

[Gryffone]

Originally posted by Son of David
I also think that many Americans (with all respect) only look upon Israeli history as a precursor, as prelude to the coming of their 'Christ'.

So this view of ancient Israel as being merely a build-up for the advent of Christianity probably prevents taking Israel seriously as a political and historical entity. For shame! as Shakespeare used to say.

I'm not sure if that view is unique to Americans and I also am not sure if that is how most Americans view Israeli History. I also don't think that the situation of Israel or the ancient history of Israel is something that was because of Americans views of Christianity. I am not an apologist for Americans, Christianity or Jewish History. Iit seems though that there have been other nations and religions whose view of the Jewish nation historically has done more to contribute in not recognizing the Jewish Nation than America has. From all accounts it would seem that America has been a major supporter to the current state of Israel since it was created after WWII (part of the reason why there is resentment among other Nations in the Middle East towards America, not to mention other political and economical reasons, which Britain also has similar blame to share). In fact the new Israel can sometimes be referred to as the Griffon, which is the merge of the Eagle (America) and Lion (England).

I guess also that the past Crusades were something that the Americans somehow had something to do with as well. I just don't see how Israeli History not being recognized is somehow the fault of Americans. If we want to talk about the blame of America with current situations in the world I can follow that and can agree with some of it but to somehow blame America for the recognition of Ancient Israel based on Christianity just doesn't seem to ring true. It seems to go down to the recognition that Yahshua was Jewish and that he changed the world. I am actually not a practicing Christian nor do I belong to any religion. I just think that Yahshua was perhaps the greatest leader to ever live, despite all of those who, in his name, use his teachings in the wrong way. Sometimes Psychology is more powerful than the sword. I also think the Buddha was one of the greatest teachers who also lived as well as Gandhi. I also like Rebels like Wallace, Luther, d’Arc, Washington and Jefferson. To not recognize the effect that Jesus had upon the Ancient History of Israel is just being selective in how one chooses to view History with a vendetta toward Christian History. Do we rewrite History because it offends someone? I would love to see a King David figure but now I have to wonder is that because I am American?!?

[Son of David]

Originally posted by Gryffone


I'm not sure if that view is unique to Americans and I also am not sure if that is how most Americans view Israeli History. I also don't think that the situation of Israel or the ancient history of Israel is something that was because of Americans views of Christianity. I am not an apologist for Americans, Christianity or Jewish History. Iit seems though that there have been other nations and religions whose view of the Jewish nation historically has done more to contribute in not recognizing the Jewish Nation than America has. From all accounts it would seem that America has been a major supporter to the current state of Israel since it was created after WWII (part of the reason why there is resentment among other Nations in the Middle East towards America, not to mention other political and economical reasons, which Britain also has similar blame to share). In fact the new Israel can sometimes be referred to as the Griffon, which is the merge of the Eagle (America) and Lion (England).

I guess also that the past Crusades were something that the Americans somehow had something to do with as well. I just don't see how Israeli History not being recognized is somehow the fault of Americans. If we want to talk about the blame of America with current situations in the world I can follow that and can agree with some of it but to somehow blame America for the recognition of Ancient Israel based on Christianity just doesn't seem to ring true. It seems to go down to the recognition that Yahshua was Jewish and that he changed the world. I am actually not a practicing Christian nor do I belong to any religion. I just think that Yahshua was perhaps the greatest leader to ever live, despite all of those who, in his name, use his teachings in the wrong way. Sometimes Psychology is more powerful than the sword. I also think the Buddha was one of the greatest teachers who also lived as well as Gandhi. I also like Rebels like Wallace, Luther, d’Arc, Washington and Jefferson. To not recognize the effect that Jesus had upon the Ancient History of Israel is just being selective in how one chooses to view History with a vendetta toward Christian History. Do we rewrite History because it offends someone? I would love to see a King David figure but now I have to wonder is that because I am American?!?

Jesus absolutely should not be the leader of the Israeli civilization!

Most of ancient Israel's history was over and done with by the time Jesus was born. Israel had built its temples, inherited its land, and been carried away into captivity. King David and King Solomon, the great leaders, were long dead.

Not only did Jesus not attempt to deliver the Jews out of bondage but his message was spread principally to Greek and Oriental gentiles and his message and supposed crucifixion would, throughout the Dark Ages, be used as an excuse to oppress those self-same Israelites who have been displaced, the Jewish 'diaspora'.

Jesus was a religious phenomenon, not a political/historical one. The point I am making is that ancient Israel had a secular history, and an important one, long before Jesus stepped on the scene.

A game about world history and civilization is seriously remiss to exclude Israel from the line-up.

[fed1943]

The only leader of any civilization (in this game)is ME,the player.
And no civilization,or community,or culture,or human beings,can be enhanced or belittled,by having,or not having,his name in a game.
Best regards,

[Son of David]

What would be really cool would be a scenario based on the Israelite invasion of Canaan. There could even be a scripted event where the Great Prophet Moses died as soon as the Jewish player moved any of his men across the river Jordan into Gilgal.

Yea, that would be fun. I might even write the scenario myself.